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[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

btw this is probably the most accurate goth/goth incarnation i've seen. you know a real fuckin nerd is behind this, using the gothic alphabet, adding that fibula, giving them lancia and spatha...

this is the same with hot topic goths. the roman emperors employed treaty barbarians, but provided almost all the military equipment. the "goth" helmet depicted here and generally associated with barbarians is in fact a wholly roman design. extant examples almost all have fabricae-marks, even outside roman borders.

hot topic goths are "equipped" from the heap of stock hot topic provides. in a sense, they do not "hire" goths, they make them from members of the reserve army of labor (who are considered much the same by the ruling class these days)

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna say you're wrong, because i don't know enough about the subject to say so. But aren't those just spangenhelms? Your claim would definitely be true for the fancy ridge helmets (Since their design denoted rank and they were so fancy they were also payment) or the 90% aventail varangian designs. It might even be true here, I don't know when the ostrogoths started making their own helmets, but at some point they definitely did.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

the ostrogoths produced a small heap of materiel to roman specifications in italy after seizing the manufactories in the province and maintaining their staff, but it was a comparatively brief period so >90% of examples are roman.

spangenhelms and ridge helmets are fundamentally the same, we're certain 'indigenous' germanic armor would generally follow a similar plan but roman techniques/quality as well as volume means the lion's share of all arefacts from late antiquity are roman. the reason is roman fabricae gilt or silvered literally every helmet which was beyond the material capacity of germanic groups. the most impressive examples recovered from germanic settings like vendel or sutton hoo (while now painstakingly recreated) were found as lumps of iron scrap in burial mounds---roman helmets are much better preserved from the protective coatings.

the association of this kind of spangenhelm (and others) with barbarians is from old archaeology and recreation art when the late roman state was poorly understood. they'd find these well-preserved pieces in distinctly germanic burials and make the reasonable assumption they had made them; but romans didn't bury their dead with arms--they were state property in fact--so it took collating the rarer armory/cache finds in roman settings with the "germanic" examples to figure out it was (almost) all actually roman.