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Sipping tea from beer mugs with his co-workers, Kyle Bos listed the ways his life is changing.

Bos has two daughters, with a third due in January. At the grocery store, five items cost as much as a full cart once did. And on Wednesday, Bos and nearly 1,400 other people were laid off from their jobs at what had been the Navistar truck factory in southwestern Ohio.

The layoffs — occurring just three days before President Donald Trump's rally on Saturday at a nearby high school — were large enough to basically erase an entire year of job growth in the greater Dayton, Ohio, area. And they are one reason why Bos, 30, plans to spend the final weeks before the November election canvassing votes for Democrats.

Asked how many times he had voted for Trump, Bos held up three tattooed fingers. But he said he's done with the president.

"Something has to change politically in this country," said Bos, a member of the United Auto Workers who identifies as a centrist. "Seems like it just kept getting worse and worse and worse."

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Many people claiming to be "independents" or "centrists" are just lying. They are temporarily embarrassed conservatives, usually.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

🤔 what happened to Enlightened Centrism / Both Sides btw?

There were whole subs that professed to be earnest about it, and others that ridiculed it.

But being openly nazi is perfectly fine nowadays, there's no reason to obfuscate one's true opinions anymore.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Can you make one that's "progressives vocally against Democrats in an election year" on the top and "right wing agitators" on the bottom?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

thank you for your service

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd take credit for making this one, but alas its one that I found!

[–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

New to me. Thanks, regardless!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I hear this all the time and it bears repeating that Independent doesn't mean centrist, unless you lump anarchists in with the Dems.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's less that they are lying, and more that their lived experiences and indoctrination had led them to believe the center is further right than you.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All I have to say is that towards the end of W's second failed term, there was a sudden uptick in people claiming "I'm an independent".

Including people that up until just a short while earlier had Bush/Cheney stickers on their cars...

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

there was a sudden uptick in people claiming “I’m an independent”.

Most "Independents" are like Libertarians.

Republicans who want to do all the republican shit, and push all the republican hatred, but don't want to carry the social burden of being associated with Republicanism.