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Hate speach relates to hate crimes, which are a category of crime punching down on minorities specifically.
So do you want to show me the examples of left wing people spouting hate speech?
Show me what makes them not rightwing, in the same era as they were spouting the hate speech against minorities. Give some examples if you want me to see your point as true and correct.
I’m not disagreeing with your point from a legal definition, I’m just saying the far left can also spout venomous speech which, though it might not be considered ‘hate speech’ from a legal standpoint, can be as bad as in terms of its content.
I agree with the horseshoe theory — or, as Parker put it, people on the far left and far right are pretty much the same.
Then again, I guess it is, to some extent, a moot point, since anyone can spout venom if they are pushed hard enough regardless of left, right, above or beyond.
I don't think that's the case, I think over the past several years a series of media figures have promoted right wing explanations of the world, almost all of which have relied on finding the most extreme examples of the worst people on the left, taking them out of context, and distributing them en mass in an organized fashion.
This process started with the "Russian troll farm" influence story in 2014, and was a huge part of the popularising of the alt-right. People like Steve Bannon, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk also started running influence campaigns.
So we have these vestigial bad ideas and examples the vitriol of the left, like "big red", or this artist, or the screeching leftist, or this person.
These are then (as with that last example) combined with rightwing messages, or explanations about the left, citing the worst of them, to make memes and political propaganda.
Along with this comes things like horse shoe theory, the fourth turning theory (weak men create bad times ect), and things like "Post-modern Cultural Marxism caused all the problems".
This sort of popularization of bad ideas and misdirected grievances doesn't have to go on very long before society is left with a bunch of bad ideas, like feminism is hate speech against men (not saying this is your particular claim), or that poverty is caused by recent immigration rather than long term regulatory choices.
Long story short, due to the left having more reasonable explanations and models, in context and statistically there's far worse going on in the extreme "horse shoe" ends of the right, than in the left.
I guarantee you can find kidnap plans and migrant bashings by right wingers far more quickly and abundantly than you could anything like that on the left. It's drastically one sided.
Left wing rage is probably stronger, but it also tends to be better placed and more accurate.
True, very true, it’s a trade-off, I guess.
I do think the far left can be just as unreasonable though (or could be, if given the means/opportunity). Possibly they don’t express/execute it as the far right does, which explains your point of view, which is completely valid also.
But I get your point: the far right has misconstrued the far left to some extent regardless. with media manipulation, etc.
"CAN be just as unreasonable" still only requires potential one off cases though.
"ARE, and are with more regularity and in greater numbers, with more popularity, and with more risk of manifesting bad outcomes"... Are some more serious measures of comparison.
I mean you can kill people, but I think there are probably a lot of already existing active murder cases and violent abusers that are more concerning because they ARE ongoing threats.
So dealing with what is, and what is more likely, are the more realistic ways to process "both sides" style arguments.
You know, you don't want to sound like you're operating from petty one off bad interactions you've had with either side. There are bad people everywhere, it's numbers and concentration that counts.
Wut? Have you missed the associations between some wings of the left and anti-semitism?
Do you count being anti-israel as being antisemitic?
Outside of that conflation, I just haven't seen that much of it from the left, not in an age where we litterally have Nazi parties marching and trying to reform globally.
So I think PERSPECTIVE and SCALE are required for judging "right vs left" or "both sides" style arguments. There's way more right wing nazi stuff than "leftwing antisemitism".
No I don't. And sure, I've seen more hate speech from right wingers, but I don't think this comment chain originated with someone saying "left and right wingers emit comparable amounts of hate speech against minorities".