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The CIA spent the postwar years doing all kinds of gross things, one of which was trying to move as many nazis to Ukraine as possible, with the specific aim of creating a fascist uprising in the USSR and possibly a Ukrainian fascist break-away state. They accelerated this program after the USSR coup, and the result is a modern Ukrainian state with outright neo-nazis in positions of power over the police, cities, and entire government. This is also why Ukraine doesn't bother to do the hilariously simple trick of just telling their troops to stop wearing white nationalist, nazi patches, or perhaps suggesting to volunteers using assumed names to stop picking "Adolf" or "Dirlewanger" or whatever - they are all part of an explicitly fascist national project.
Wow, that's... incredible. The CIA has done some fucked up shit, but that's something else entirely. Do you have a quality source on this? I'd like to follow up on this claim.
Edit: holy shit
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0113.pdf <- legit from their own website
I've spent some time to find an account that's properly federated to Hexbear just to comment, because wow, if I never doubted that the U.S. were meddling in Ukrainian affairs (what with the leaked phone calls and all that jazz), I can see that the beast is way bigger than expected; it made me understand this server's perspective better. And to think they don't even hide it...
Honestly, even if you all didn't change your tone but just added this kind of links to your comments, you'd have an easier time convincing people.
I've been on hexbear for years and I didn't know this tidbit, although I was aware that GLADIO stuff like this has happened. Learn new things every time I visit here lol.
Oof, yet another thing where I saw the tentacle but not the kraken behind...
If you wish to understand the leftist perspective on the US beyond the "tankies just think everything the US does is automatically bad", I strongly recommend that you read Killing Hope and The Jakarta Method. Arming and supporting fascists to slaughter and subjugate everything that looked even vaguely socialist or just wanted to be unaligned during the Cold War has been business as usual for many decades and Ukraine is just a bullet point in a very long and bloody list. Fair warning: the stuff in those books can make you extremely angry. I legit had to put Killing Hope down and go do something else after going through the Guatemala chapter to shake off the utter disgust.
Thanks for the recommendations, and the links! If you'll allow me the redditism, username checks out. The missing pieces are falling into place, notably about NATO, which I didn't understand that well the hatred for; going down the rabbit hole of Operation Gladio mentioned by iie, and seeing how they've, for instance, supported extremist groups and commissioned terror attacks in my country with the U.S. pulling on the leash was a ride...
You're welcome. As always, I am asking liberals to read the Progress of Truth.