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https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0113.pdf <- legit from their own website
I don't trust NATO sources, do you have a youtuber?
It makes me so fucking mad how much of this shit you can learn just from their own declassified documents. They're not even trying to hide it
yet liberals will still scream "CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!" at you for pointing at things they publicly admit on the record lol
"Oh so now you believe the CIA?"
"We know the CIA did a lot of shady shit that's similar to what you're describing in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and aughts, no one involved was arrested, and there was no reform of the CIA, but they aren't still doing any bad stuff. They just stopped. You're a conspiracy theorist nut job if you think otherwise."
what in the goddamn fuck
I hope I'm alive to see how history will contextualize america's decades-long nazi support around the world in the context of wwi - russian revolution - wwii - cold war - whatever is coming.
When we consider the history of all societies to be the history of class struggles, it's maddening to think that chain of events as capitalists trying everything in their power to keep profits going and growing and combating workers that try to do take the next step. I also think wwii nazism is still not the worst that capitalists can possibly do to stop communism. The worst is still to happen and america will be the actor.
I've spent some time to find an account that's properly federated to Hexbear just to comment, because wow, if I never doubted that the U.S. were meddling in Ukrainian affairs (what with the leaked phone calls and all that jazz), I can see that the beast is way bigger than expected; it made me understand this server's perspective better. And to think they don't even hide it...
Honestly, even if you all didn't change your tone but just added this kind of links to your comments, you'd have an easier time convincing people.
I've been on hexbear for years and I didn't know this tidbit, although I was aware that GLADIO stuff like this has happened. Learn new things every time I visit here lol.
Oof, yet another thing where I saw the tentacle but not the kraken behind...
If you wish to understand the leftist perspective on the US beyond the "tankies just think everything the US does is automatically bad", I strongly recommend that you read Killing Hope and The Jakarta Method. Arming and supporting fascists to slaughter and subjugate everything that looked even vaguely socialist or just wanted to be unaligned during the Cold War has been business as usual for many decades and Ukraine is just a bullet point in a very long and bloody list. Fair warning: the stuff in those books can make you extremely angry. I legit had to put Killing Hope down and go do something else after going through the Guatemala chapter to shake off the utter disgust.
Thanks for the recommendations, and the links! If you'll allow me the redditism, username checks out. The missing pieces are falling into place, notably about NATO, which I didn't understand that well the hatred for; going down the rabbit hole of Operation Gladio mentioned by iie, and seeing how they've, for instance, supported extremist groups and commissioned terror attacks in my country with the U.S. pulling on the leash was a ride...
You're welcome. As always, I am asking liberals to read the Progress of Truth.
We should just get a bot to pin this to every new ukraine-related post