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I disagree that asking the question, "How do you determine your personal values without referencing your personal values?" is sealioning; it is the entire point of the discussion itself, and if you can answer this question fairly, the discussion is over.
But I do agree that this thread is not worth expanding.
Well alright fair enough.
I would contend that experience informs values and that original values come from your parents, but I was not trying to wade in because it didn't feel like good faith. Values are evolving over time and are based on feedback for sure, but there's more to it than just that.
I agree. There's a lot of influences that go into your values; I'm just saying a conscious decision is not one of them--that "conscious decision" is really just an expression of all those other influences.
That doesn't mean that thinking about your values is a waste of time--it's good to know what is important to you on a conscious level and that can help you guide decisions rationally and avoid situations you might otherwise get yourself into.
Recognizing that values are received and not chosen is also a hedge against feeling superior to others because you chose the "right" values and they chose the "wrong" values.
Fair, I'll update my original comment.