Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, toxicity and dog-whistling are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !uspolitics@lemmy.world
7) No Hit-and-Run questions.
Please don't delete your post for no apparent reason. If you plan on deleting a question later, say so in the post, or if you feel that you have a good reason to remove it, message a mod beforehand. It's not fair to the ones who took their time to answer, and it's not in the spirit of the community.
8) No Bots.
Posts or comments from bots, LLM's, AIs, Neural Networks, Transformers, or Marvin the Paranoid Android are not welcome in AskLemmy. Real humans only please.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
view the rest of the comments
Being naked is different from dressing in sexualized clothing. However, I'm all for people to wear what they want.
Isn't sexualized clothing a very relative appreciation? A conservative religious person and a socially liberal person will have very different opinions about this.
Sexualization is in the eye of the beholder.
There's a chaps wearer within us all
Yes. In many parts of the world most Western women's dress would be immediately tagged as sexualized clothing (which, tbf it was originally; it just got normalized).
I would say it is relative culturally more than individually. We can see when someone is dressing in a sexy or alluring way.
I can see a conservative person thinking more things are sexualized than others, but that doesn't impact what this person is saying.
I don't want to be nude, I just don't want to wear a bra. But that's sexual for some reason because my nips are afab
I personally don't wear a bra except at work. Got so tired of the unnatural barbie doll look being enforced. Even at work I don't bother trying to pad so heavy there is no shape.
That too - padded look seems to be falling out of favor in the mainstream as well.
It's not a sexy thing for me, it's comfortable. I don't need the support so no bra feels best.
Sorry if I am misinterpreting, but I wasn't suggesting not wearing a bra is a choice I make to be "sexy", either for myself or others.
The only reason I ever wear a bra is if I am concerned that people will perceive and sexualize the shape of nipples under clothing. Even then, I have tank tops with padded front sections and a bit of elastic for "support" (not needed). Despite being way, way better than a traditional bra, they are still a sensory nightmare by the end of the day.
I'm clarifying this more for the post as a whole. There are quite a few comments on the post that seem to think that when people say they should be allowed to wear what they want the main conflict is people being restricted from expressing themselves in a sexual manner. Sure, that is one reason people want to have freedom of choice with clothing. Like you mentioned, some people don't want to be pressured into gender norms ("unnatural barbie doll look"). I guess my not wanting to wear a bra is also about gender norms. Nipples showing prominently on a male presenting person might be seen as uncomfortable sometimes but not nearly to the extent it is on female presenting people.
It does, because you want the rule to be applied equally, not depending on someone's opinion.
It feels like you are not understanding what I am saying (which isn't meant as a criticism).
The person you replied to said:
This isn't related to the fairness of a rule. Being naked may or may not be sexual to an individual, but when people say they should be able to dress how they want they aren't necessarily saying they should be allowed to be nude.
This is not a direct reply to this comment: Even if I am fully covered in loose clothing (my preference) it could still be considered sexualized. Policing "sexualized" clothing is about control. Saying "okay well we should just be nude" is just another form of control. There is more than one type of body that is policed but I will speak from my experience: Neither the current social norms nor the idea what we should all be nude allow me to choose clothing that is comfortable, practical, or just enjoyable just because I am AFAB whereas AMAB people can wear such things.
(Eta: my comment comes off as anti-nudity. I'm not anti nudity. I just don't want to be nude in public and not just because I don't want to be seen nude. I burn easily and prefer the ease of changing clothes when I get home.)