Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Official Title of this Community: Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Why is the title different?
We like to have fun here.
What is this place? A safe space for underrepresented peoples and peoples of color to talk, chill, and vibe.
What are the basic rules of the community?
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Follow Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines. Non negotiable. This is the bedrock and mods will make decisions with this always in mind.
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This community is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This is a safe space where such people can freely discuss their struggles, insight, and thoughts without fear. If you are not, we respectfully ask you do not post or comment here. A future community will be established to allow for racial discussions with a mixed userbase. However, remember, comments here must still respect Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines.
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Irony Racism is still racism. Racism is bad m'kay? We will treat irony racism and bad faith racist satire as racism. Will wield the ban hammer accordingly.
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No sectarianism: This is an identity channel not a channel for you all to complain about why XYZ isn't the "one true leftism". Take that to another place.
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Stupidpol is not allowed. Stupidpol is class reductionist. We are an identity community. Thinking like stupidpol ignores the struggles of the oppressed, their voices, and their need for unique support. Nothing says oppression more than someone saying that the identity you have is "not real" and that if you only thought like them you'd see what your "real" identity is. Mods reserve the right to ban users and content who promote stupidpol, stupidpol memes, and other class reductionist thinking.
FAQ
I don't look XYZ and/or sometimes I can pass as white so I don't know if I can post here. Can I?
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This place is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This includes those of mixed heritage and those who may be "white" but are of an ethnicity that is a minority in their area (i.e. Kurds, etc) If you've experienced oppression due to your identity that is not based on sexual / gender identification, you are welcome here.
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Moreover, for our American audience, we have people from around the world who are "white" but are oppressed due to being a minority in their country. They are and should be welcomed here.
What can I post?
- Anything you think is relevant to the mission of this community. Things will evolve over time.
- Topics and things relevant to EM and POC.
Suggested Posts
- [People of Spice]: Food recipes so others can taste your culture
- [Theory]: Vid/podcasts/websites discussing issues relevant to identity, anti-imperialism, etc
- [News]: Vids/podcasts/websites that talk about current events relevant to EM and POC
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Petition to ban white people from talking about (cis) gender dynamics, please. There's an exhausting thread with a lot of dogshit takes going on right now, not entirely full of white people, but a lot of generalizing white masculinity culture to all men. I just do not and cannot trust people saying "death to men" and "masculinity is the whiteness of gender". There are too many examples of nonwhite men being demonized, dehumanized, and murdered, and trans women have been swept up in those dragnets as well, ans white women have been instrumental in that too. Someone more educated has probably written about this but I just don't feel capable of writing it up coherently
White people who have any kind of marginalization will hide under it to be vile racists. See white women complaining about all men while historically owning slaves, including black male slaves, white trans and queer people acting like they're the biggest victims of everything while appropriating the statistics, lived experiences and the murders of trans and queer racialized people for their own gain and being racist to poc cause "they're homophobic/transphobic" or another bs excuse while they kill us all under the rainbow banner of lgbt rights and feminism (see the list of trans murder victims of any year and you can count on one or two hands the number of white ones out of all named). Hell even this supposed leftist site had a whole struggle session about how you're a raging ableist if you had any kind of negative feelings about a white man who screamed the n slur with a hard r to a group of black men lmao. Anything about the "evil men/cishet/whatever" can be dismissed 90% of the time when it comes out from the mouth of a white mf cause dig deep enough and you'll see that rhetoric being used for racist shit. I could say more but other comrades have said it already in this thread. In conclusion: yes all crakkkers.
The cracKKKers of this site tend to always assume good of white women and white queers. They'll see a white women spew shit against "all men" and never stop for a second to wonder if her definition of "men" might include trans women or if she is aware of the racial violence she could enact on men of color*. I feel like I rarely ever see struggle sessions related to gender, but I do recall some. The way this site handles gender dynamics is less likely to be scrutinized, but on racial subjects? That's where people especially get uncomfortable and always want to cause a ruckus. That's how we were able to have so many separate struggle sessions about Ansarallah being "antisemitic." This is also why this time I saw some liberal white man on some Instagram reel say "White people treat Black people the way men treat women" made me uncomfortable. That kind of framing greatly misses the point and is so damn reductive. It's reminding me of that John Lennon song, too (you know the one). The compartmentalization is annoying as well. People might think shit like "In Western countries, a Black man is privileged over a white woman in terms of gender, but the white woman is privileged over him in terms of race," but that's not actually how it works. You cannot separate the way gender factors into racial dynamics here. The way gender is handled on these two bodies is not something that exists in a vacuum, detached from any other aspect about them, so people shouldn't oversimplify that shit.
*Though this didn't happen with a "white" Western country, this is also reminding me of this time we had this post uncritically celebrating South Korea's 4B movement and then everyone who was cheering that shit on felt embarrassed and started deleting/editing comments when someone commented that said movement is actually horrible in many ways. Such includes transphobia and how they are really more so the product of internalized racism (i.e., they are against sex with Korean men, but sure as hell don't mind sex with male Western tourists, akin to the "divestor" shit you see among a small portion of Black women)
Here's what I don't understand, though: how the fuck can someone hear of a "female separatist movement" in SSouth KKKorea of all fucking places and then be baffled when that movement is extremely bioessentialist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been a time when female separatism HASN'T been bioessentialist. If it wasn't, chances are there would have to be very awkward conversations about how trans and non-binary people factor into this shit, and these movements certainly do not permit such nuances. Their approach is already undialectical as fuck and tries to reduce "dismantling patriarchy" to individual acts of abstinence against men.
you have articulated exactly how i felt about 4B. certain communities at least acknowledged it had transphobic elements, but this thread is literally the only place i've seen discuss its pro white men angle.
Death to men= when bad things happen to racialized men, it's okay to ignore them because they're men
Yes! A comrade was running a reading group of Mohammed el-Kurd's book Perfect Victims wherein he talked about why he had to recenter men. Men are part of the community, and the western press (when it deigns to talk about Israel's atrocities at all) says in the same breath that it's terrible to kill women and children but fine to kill men. And future men, as in boys, as in children. But when the men are murdered, the women aren't going "thank god we've been freed from our oppressive males", no, they mourn their brothers, their sons, their husbands, their uncles, their friends.
I remember getting in arguments with people who were saying women in Palestine are being attacked by Palestinian men so they exclusively need help. Or seeing BS of people only donating to women for Palestine, absolutely dumb stuff.
That's vile.
Shit, even boys can be subject to the same treatment. I remember there were a couple of times where teenage Palestinian boys were described as something along the lines of "underage men" or something like that in mainstream media sources.
"Military-aged males" was the language used by the Bush administration and carried over by Obama. They never stopped using it.
I've been saying this, and honestly, truthfully, what might be a hot take (at least with most of the left-wing cracKKKers I interact with, though I've seen more nuance on this from some fellow POC) is that I actually do not trust misandry.
Of course, it's not me saying it's "as bad as misogyny" or validating the woes of incels who want to deny that society is patriarchal.
But ISTG, every time I see a white (cis) woman talk about how "evil" men are, I do not assume she is just some "girlboss" who is innocuously punching up at her oppressors. I believe she is most likely a transphobic, racist bioessentialist who'd never acknowledge the dangerous power that she has over men of color, especially since it is the rule, not the exception, for white women to have a very self-centered approach to injustice and only care about oppression that personally affects them.
And there is actual discrimination involved in this, the bigotry against immigrant men who are the main target of right wing propaganda especially in Europe, it paints Arab and African men specifically as "SA"ers and thieves and is used to justify hate crimes. There's the fact that even human right organizations use "women and children" to refer to civilians in wars against third world countries, as if to say "it's okay to kill Iranian, Palestinian, Lebanese, Yemeni and all other browns if they are men". POC men also face gender specific fetishisation.