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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The “watermark” is a statistical pattern in the output,

Where did you see that?

They added that the watermark “may persist through some editing” for anyone who thought they could get away with Claude’s newest update.

A watermark is generally a faint image, logo or text embedded into a picture or document to help prove ownership, while reducing theft and plagiarism.

However, Anthropic assures the embedded watermarks for AI-generated texts will not affect the readability of said texts, remaining invisible to the human eye.

The new embedded watermarks are meant to be detected by third party tools only, using coding that is unique to the text, even when copypasted.

AI companies use very specific language that sounds like an obvious thing, but really it's a weird interpretation that's worse.

Like, they flat out said "even when copy pasted".

That does not mean retyping wouldn't hide it.

It doesn't even mean copying and then "paste as plain text" would get flagged, it would likely pass.

If it was what you're saying, it would be a lot of false flags, especially on short texts.

It's way more likely they're just doing something to the output text, and it persists with the "copy/paste" just like when you copy/paste from an article, only to discover the text includes a plug for the website....

Like, this is literally why "paste as plain text" has always been a thing.

That's almost certainly all this is.

Especially since the article links to Andy king polymarket tweet like it's a source

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It might be some weird, visually indistinguishable character combination. For example, some "random" spaces might be non-breaking or actually a pair of thin spaces, hanging spaces at the end of lines/paragraphs/code tab breaks or any number of zero-width characters might be inserted.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

I was thinking that but how would that work with Claude Code? Inserting invisible characters will either break code in the most sociopathic way or a formatter will just remove it

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not that obvious. They have ways of subtly statistically manipulating the output of their models, so that a computer can analyze it and recognize patterns that deviate in distinctive ways from what humans normally do. Just typing it out again won't change the statistics. Rewording might. But if you're going to rewrite the output, you lose the time savings you gained by getting AI to write your stuff, whether it's code or an essay.

They said it "wouldn't affect quality" but that's been said about lots of things that do, like analog copy protection schemes. Yeah, it could be subtle stylistic choices in text and code.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I mean, Occams Razor its:

like when you copy/paste from an article, only to discover the text includes a plug for the website…

It won't actually get displayed with a "paste", it'll stay hidden to a human but be visible to the third party program.

Technically a solution, and if it wasn't possible to just retype the words, it would actually be effective.

But if it can be defeated by someone manually retyping it, then it's pointless. And that seems to be what their press release dances around.