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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i cook a lot, but in the US it's increasingly class-income linked to have the time/space and household infrastructure necessary to cook. its sort of bifurcated though. like there are broke people stretching dollars like wizards in the kitchen and there are luxury bozos stunting on each other with premium ingredients.

the food system in the US has pursued individual convenience and speed to the exclusion of everything else and gotten household kitchens to be like school cafeterias: workstations for reheating already-prepared foods or assembling already-processed ingredients from kits into meals.

that pre-consumer processing is a "value-add" for the processor, because they can charge more for the product and the buyer pays more to save time and no longer needs a food processor, a mixer, certain specialty ingredients, etc. they can just casually mix some things in a pan, put a tray on a rack, or put a dish in a microwave. saving the eater time has been the god of the US food system for decades, and marxists know why: get the fuck back to work.

so, everything is orchestrated to have portioned and ready meals.

after one has gotten used to this style of food prep, going back and reclaiming the last steps of processing in an ill-equiped kitchen is a very expensive investment and requires re-developing an atrophied skill. plus all the knowledge necessary to cut through the marketing distraction at the grocery store and reclaim those lost savings strategically, based on what kitchen infrastructure investments are affordable.

none of this is an easy process to navigate and the fact that it is a pain point for so many right now is evidence of a major and arguably rapid shift in the material conditions of homes everywhere.

for example, the only people in my family who knew how to do in the kitchen what i have learned how to do were my parents' parents, who lived during the depression. they're all dead now. i have to explain cost cutting grocery and kitchen strategies to my elderly parents and middle aged sibling all the time. they are all luxury meal kit people.

it blows their minds that i can articulate ingredient costs per portion for all of my common meals, and that some are very low. they used to find it laughably eccentric, but lately they pay more attention. i still don't think they appreciate my insistence that all of this is going to get much, much worse.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

In spite of this, I wonder if the most efficient way for society to organize the “last mile” of food preparation would be… communal cafeterias. This assumes several prerequisite changes like spatially denser housing in tighter-knit neighborhoods or campuses where each person is a short walk from the dining hall. Preparing an individual meal is resource-inefficient. Most people probably have fridges less than half-full. Food spoils due to improper storage or inability to finish a jar within ~5 days of opening. Chest freezers don’t get used because they take up a lot of space. Why wouldn’t we take the benefits of industrialization and apply them to meal preparation?

I understand there are practical reasons for each person to have the skills to cook on their own. Certainly in my lifetime I think it will continue to be relevant for all the reasons you stated. But it seems unfortunate that cafeterias are seen either as decadent or for poors, with little space in between.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I am rather sympathetic to the communist cafeteria everywhere system you describe but to be fair if the argument is fully industrialized for time saving canned and frozen meals except good for you and not expensive as all hell would be the way to go here. A microwave / oven combo plus a burner plate doesn't exactly take up much room and you'd skip all the labour cost of having the 24/7 cafeteria going plus spoilage. I think the cafeteria argument is better based on the social aspect honestly. Go with some people outside of your household, meet a neighbour etc. Basically the communist pub.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I agree. Suppose you have the same cafeteria just package it up for you to heat at home instead of eating at home. That’s kinda what frozen dinners are, and why I don’t think they are bad in principle. Though, it is imperative that we abolish the single-use plastic and make them more affordable and nutritious.

The main benefit of canning/bottling is obviously shelf life, while prepared meals will expire in a couple days. So it needs to be local and accurately estimated.

[–] danisth@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Pardon my bougie perspective because this comes from experience as a tourist, but I think many communities in non-western countries are already oriented this way. I had minimal daily budget so I found places where I could get a prepared meal for barely more than the raw ingredients, and many local families seemed to be there as a daily ritual, not some decadent dining out experience.

I dont think banks are friendly to handing out money to cooperatives, and laws and regulations arent exactly well established either, but if 12+ people with roughty $10k each could secure a 5% loan they could probably buy a big apartment building with room to spare. If they dont get outbid, and if the bank agrees, they could share resources, share meals, and "rent" on the loan would be much cheaper than paying a parasitic landlord. 120k is 5% of $2.4 million, and ive seen some nice places listed for that price range when I was doing the math. I forget how much monthy costs on the loan would be, obviously depended on the buildings occupancy, but I remember it was much cheaper than anything else.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Retvrn to mead halls

[–] stink@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

I cook practically all my meals. I don't min/max it to the fullest degree (canned beans / chick peas, expensive fake meat substitutes). But man I was at Aldi the other day and a whole frozen pizza was $6.

That's about as much as groceries for a dinner for 2, albeit we usually have leftovers.