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Cross posted from https://sh.itjust.works/post/64317237

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, no scenario though where I'd see that coming out of llm. It's way out of that capacity.

What we can achieve though is drying up land, creating famine and misery and the crash of society.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The LLMs are committing ecophalogy of knowledge. Their nonsensical output is being fed back into them like an ouroboros, resulting in more nonsensical output.

Humans have been performing ecophagy since hunter-gatherer times, and the rate has increased exponentially since the Industrial Revolutions, but always to the benefit of Humans and humanity.

Now the general-purpose LLMs are being destructively fed all of human knowledge and the data centres are being destructively fed all of our natural resources; not for the benefit of Humans or humanity, but for hubris and apathy.

Diversity of thought is being homogenised as more people use LLMs for mundane tasks that would be quicker, easier and more efficient to do ourselves.

Our own Gray Matter is turning into Gray Goo.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The last sentence would've sufficed, thatwe can absolutely agree on.

It's not that there Weill be ai nanobots rising from llm developing into that, though.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Use your imagination. It's an analogy.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm a technician and Autist. I don't do wild speculation. I do derive future prospects from technical or physical facts.

And if there's not a major thing added, it will not happen.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is the "it" that will not happen?

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

An llm can and will not have an own conscience or motivation or even possibility of acting of its own.

It can only act triggered and the rest looks like it would be so, but its only parroting

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is about the consequences of recursively training AI on AI-generated content. It doesn't have anything to do with volition or true intelligence. There's a good article about it here.

This is the AI Grey Goo scenario: an internet choked with low-quality content, which never improves, where it is almost impossible to locate public reliable sources for information because the tools we have been able to rely on in the past – Google, social media – can never keep up with the scale of new content being created. Where the volume of content created overwhelms human or algorithmic abilities to sift through it quickly and find high-quality stuff.

The social and political consequences of this are huge. We have grown so used to information abundance, the greatest gift of the internet, that having that disrupted would be a major upheaval for the whole of society.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Now I am beginning to understand the layer you are talking about. It wasn't clear to me so far.

But you seem intelligent, may I introduce you to the double empathy problem? It's why you've (or possibly others) downvoted me, I just want to point out, since we didn't understand each other right.

Communication is hard and maybe this will go a small bit in some random future communication.

I still define all this as man made issues. And yes they're true and really bad, but insane large groups are falling for it.