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Here in Chile, when one President declared war on their people, we trashed the country until his governance was all but surrendered, and we even got the chance of making a new Constitution out of it (the idiots blew it, but that's for Season 2 of the series). He got lucky to make it out of the Presidential building in one piece (we historically don't like it when armed conflict touches the place).
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
salió de la moneda, pero igual no salió del helicóptero... que en pez descanse...
"que en pez descanse " qué lata que nunca se me ocurrió en su momento. ¡Felicidades! :p
Qué raro ver a un chileno acá... ándate pa la casa, wn! 😁. Saludos!
A'er tú y quién más mira que te traigo a las maigo la mojojojo la calila aí vamo a ver 😁 ¡Saludos igualmente y gracias!
"Estaba ese al que le dicen el car'e puta" 🤣
America definitely needs to get a sense of urgency in change, but USA is a much larger, and spread out country than Chile; and it also has the largest & most well funded intelligence agencies helping the oligarchs maintain power.
Is the US even that long?
They do say spread out: the USA actually has a better population distribution than Chile and it's big in two dimensions, whereas Chile is incredibly tall but also incredibly narrow (think: that goth guy).
That said, Chile is ~~long~~ tall: we get from above our hemisphere's tropic line to the friggin' South pole.
Yes actually. Chile is 2,653 miles long. The longest longitudinal distance in the continental US is 2,802 miles.
We have many vastly different regions, so yes. The commonwealth, the South, the Midwest , the West, the Pacific Northwest, all very far apart and with different immediate concerns.
Yes. Chile is 2653 miles long/tall. The distance from San Diego to Portland (Maine) is 3100 miles. Just Alaska is 2145 miles wide when counting all the Aleutian Islands.
The difference is, our police are armed more heavily than some nations military. And our military is more heavily armed than nearly every other nation combined..... And that's forgetting that we've allowed technocrats to install nationwide government surveillance, tracking and recording. Both online and in public places.
It's not so easy as just "revolt".
What they have is organization. What we have is numbers.
Kind of like Russia has a numbers advantage in Ukraine.
Honestly? The average and median American still has I think the highest disposable income in the world even after accounting for cost of living short of places like Luxembourg. While they're complaining, rightly, about their lot being worse compared to years past, most of them aren't feeling a sort of financial squeeze that's usually needed for that kind of revolutionary action yet.
The US has made a sort of deal with devil that's still mostly paying off for the average citizen. Until the middle class specifically really feel the squeeze, and not just compared to themselves historically, I don't see any revolutionary action happening.
Basically people have to start starving first.
And by then it'll be too late because they are starving.
Armies, established or figurative, march on full stomachs. Even the BTS army.
Apart from those without healthcare eh?
Yeah, but crucially, the ones who are in a position to feel that need keenly enough are sick.
They often have more immediate concerns.
This is what fascism is though. What you're describing is being complicit in fascism.
Well, sort of. Fascism is more precisely a marriage of nationalism and a police state with a corporatocracy where one aids the other in their goals. Which you could definitely argue is what's happening in the US, but isn't really what my point was (and certainly shouldn't be read as an endorsement!). I think at this point I'd argue it's more like a classic oligarchy, but either one isn't good and I'm not hung up on which we label it.
But yeah, that deal with devil is definitely a complicity. They've been willing to hand vast amounts of money, and rights, to the ruling class because they've been being paid very well to do so. And I don't see revolution happening until there's either a critical mass of people reaching starvation levels of poverty, or the middle class sees all that wealth they traded their rights for evaporate.
You know what's funny? The USA installed Pinochet !
Yeah, as well as some other guys.
From here, that doesn't look anywhere as funny I assure you :p
For a much more people oriented answer: I'm trying to survive. I'm trying to make sure my dad takes his medication right so he doesn't die. I'm trying to figure out how to pay bills when the local government I work for gave everyone a 2% cost of living raise, then raised taxes 3% and gave the city manager a $26,000 raise even though he was already being paid close to $200k. The only other person I know that doesn't think trump and all his cronies are the bees knees is elderly, has no retirement and is desperately trying to keep working despite health issues because her husband has cancer and she needs to keep working to pay his bills. Even if I made a ton of money and had help with my dad, I still wouldn't be able to do anything because of my health, either (I am 100% that friend who would get eaten by the zombies first) I'm not young anymore, either.
I think the internet makes it seem like a lot more people hate what's going on than there actually is. In my experience, i see a small number of crazy Trump fanatics, a small number of concerned and scared people, and then the vast majority _just don't care _. At least for now. That'll change when they started being affected. By then it'll be too late.
To sum up: more people don't give a shit than do. We haven't reached the part of the poem where "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Nothing. And I get poo-pooed when I suggest this sort of thing. Fucking tired of this place, so much so that I've been looking to leave. It's difficult. I just don't think it's worth fighting for anymore.
The fun ("fun") thing is evaluating where to leave to. Other places that used to be cool, aren't anymore.
Part of it is scale. The usa has several individual states that are a larger population than Chile.
Which means more of an amount of people who should be able to do something.