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It was predicted for more than 2 years, and it's happening now.
The Russian economy is collapsing, The Russian wealth fund is empty, and Russia has been selling gold reserves to prop up the economy, oil exports are dwindling, and they have to import refined oil products now at inflated prices.
The Russian infrastructure is collapsing too, and farmers can't get the harvest done, because fuel is either not available or too expensive so it will cost more to harvest than to let the crops rot in the field.
The fact that you are not seeing it, is not because it isn't happening.
I have no idea why so many upvote you not knowing what's going on.
Ursula von der Leyen, 2022
This sounds like more of the same.
Are you somehow implying that she was wrong?
What she said would happen is exactly what happened.
What is the point of the sanctions?
The war hasn’t ended, has it?
Exactly what Von der Leyen said?
Weaken Russia's economy.
That means less money for foreign supplies, and machinery, means fewer missiles, fewer shells, fewer tanks.
No, but maybe ask Ukrainians if they'd rather there be no sanctions and more missiles in their cities.
But you know all that, you're just arguing in bad faith.
And why would they want to weaken the economy? Come on you can do better than that. Use your other brain cell.
And who said they shouldn’t do sanctions? Please quote me on that. And you think I’m the one arguing in bad faith? F off
it's literally in my comment above, read.
Why the fuck should I quote you on that? I never said you said that.
What you did do is imply that it didn't impact Russia's war making capabilities, and I told you that you can go ask Ukrainians about that.
yes you are.
"Just asking questions" that you know the answers to. You fuck off
So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.
Then who were you replying to? God? Santa? Why should I be the one to ask whether Ukrainians prefer no sanctions?
I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war. And supposedly having hit their limit, which is what we’ve been hearing for years now. So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time. F me right?
When the f did I say I was “just asking questions”? That’s the second straw man you made in two comments. You really couldn’t recognize a bad faith argument if it hit you in the face because they are all you’ve got.
No, I made a statement. There was no question mark at the end. You chose to respond to that with a load of nonsense that shows you don’t understand an iota of this conflict and act like your shitty opinion is truth.
Again "just asking questions". If you want to make a point. Fucking make it. Fuck off with this "just asking questions" bullshit.
And yes, weakening Russia's war making capabilities is the fucking end goal.
Europe was perfectly happy with Russia having a strong economy to buy European goods and sell them cheap gas. There is no other end goal.
Yeah, completely ignoring the fact that they'd be able to produce much more without the sanctions. Also why are cruise missile attacks dropping? Maybe because they can't keep up production because of sanctions? funny that.
According to whom?
The only quote you made was Von der Leyen, who didn't fucking say that, did she?
No we haven't.
If you hear "wolf" when people say something else, that's on you.
A comment with nothing but questions you know the answer to but imply the answer is something else. That is exactly the definition of "just asking questions". And you do it in other places as well.
Not a statement, is it?
May I remind you of your first comment on this thread?
And again, I’m not just asking questions and I never claimed that. Questions are a normal part of life, get used to it.
You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened. I’m asking you questions because you’re dancing around that disingenuously. The end goal cannot be to continue the war but at a lower pace and you know it.
Cruise missile attacks are dropping because they’re much easier to take down than ballistic missiles.
And you’re making it (again, disingenuously) seem like I said the sanctions aren’t having any effects. That is not what I said and you also know it. I said that despite the sanctions they are still ramping up ballistic missile attacks. So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false. Since once you hit your limit –that’s what a limit means– you can’t continue.
They have not stopped, ergo they have not reached the limit.
Really? You can’t even read the headline of the article this thread is under. How am I supposed to take you seriously?
Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:
https://www.russiamatters.org/node/35164
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-worsens-current-account-ruble-energy-exports-2023-7
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/09/fortress-russia-economy-has-adapted-well-pressure-stagflation-presents-opportunity-west
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2026/feb/06/the-russian-economy-is-finally-stagnating-what-does-it-mean-for-the-war-and-for-putin
I’m beginning to think you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about…
Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3
But good talk my man. Keep it up and nobody will ever want to talk to you.
No they don't, have you even read those articles?
They make claims that are completely factual.
The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn't.
And you keep implying that sanctions aren't having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.
You cannot possibly know if they've hit their limits because you can't see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.
You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.
I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.
Yes. So not a question. Thank you. You started out by asking question and then get mad when someone asks a question in return that you can’t and won’t answer.
Citation needed. The point is they have never proven to end wars sooner.
I said I will believe it when I see it. I have not seen the war ending because of the economy. Ergo: limit not yet hit. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.
Only to someone who can’t read…
Quote from the first article you posted
So no, it's not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not "heard it before"
it supports the opposite of the point you're trying to make.
Funny, you must really be blind or illiterate, because you read right past:
And
And
And
Funny how that works. And you wonder why people ask you questions to check your knowledge about a certain topic…
In my initial comment a few days ago, if you can even think that far back (idk, it seems like you might not) I said I will believe it when I see whether or not the Russian economy is actually at its limits. The article supports that. People keep saying it is
Or
Or
Or
Or
But it wasn’t. And now:
So I said I will believe it when I see it. And I will, but I haven’t seen it. That’s all.
And none of those said that Russia's economy had reached its limits, as you claim.
"looking ahead"
"in time"
And
That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.
A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?
So the article you linked doesn't say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don't.
LOL you really don’t handle being wrong very well, do you?
None of the sources you quoted say what you claim they do and I'm wrong?
Just go away.
In your extremely biased mind where a parallel reality exists they indeed didn’t claim what they claimed.
Good boy
I guess only in my biased mind is a prediction about the future a statement about the present.
Learn about the flow of time.
Only in your mind is a statement not a statement…
And at the same time a statement is a question…
And maybe there are some flying pink elephants around there, who knows, there appears to be a lot of room.
Aye flying, or will fly?
Since you can't distinguish present from future
Bonus from same article:
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(Editor’s note: it is now 2026)
Ok? Cherry picking much?
That's not the conclusion they reached, is it? That's the observation they're making upon which they base their conclusions. The conclusion they all reached is that it will have major impacts at some undefined point in the future. But that is inconvenient for the point you're trying to make.
And Deripaska, still, really? He only cares about his own pockets.
And I guess the editor is so far up his own ass, that he didn't realize Russia has been in a recession since end of 2025?
LOL, these are literally in the titles of the articles. Except for the bonus one, which is the last sentence, in the last paragraph of the one with the headline.
You won’t stop trying, will you? Hilarious man!
Is a recession the same as being out of money?
And I thought questions were forbidden…
My condolences for having been in a coma for 20 years.
Here a development that happened to media while you were out to help your media literacy catch up to 2026
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait
WTF? Sanctions have absolutely been part of reaching the point we're at now.
Other comments by you have been misguided, but this is way way out there.
Yeah no shit Sherlock. The point is that many people have claimed it was close for years and this is just more of the same.
There is nothing “misguided” about my comment. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. You don’t hold the truth.
Facts are not a matter of opinion.
What facts exactly?
How long do you think draining a country's economy takes?
That is a pretty silly question to ask, since experts have failed to put a proper time frame on it and have made claims that have not come true. Every country and its circumstances are different so there is no telling.
And I said in my first comment I will believe it when I see it, so what makes you think I thought it would be fast?
All I’m saying is this messaging is not so different from Von der Leyen’s rhetoric in 2022.
It took 4 years for an impoverished Germany, and they were committed to all out war. So 4 years doesn't sound silly.
Also this article is about it actually happening now, not a prediction
Germany burned itself with all kinds megalomaniac buildings, war machines and expansion on all fronts, and it took the might of the entire allied forces to bring them down.
There have been all kinds of signs and symptoms from day one and every time they said Russia was on their last legs. So Russia’s economy going down the drain has been happening since the beginning of the war. The question is whether it will end the war, of which there are currently very few signs. And as I said the ballistic missile attacks are ramping up, so they still have ample production capabilities.
So in fact, nothing new is happening now and the war in Ukraine hasn’t ended.
It's an enormous country with an abundance of natural resources. It was always going to take a fair amount of time before they got desperate. Now they are, and it's not going well, hence the endless missile and drone barrage.
They lost their momentum on the ground a while back, and now they're reduced to holding what they can and hope they can break the Ukrainian morale with civilian casualties. There's nothing new there. They're using the same tactics they used in Chechnya all over again. The only difference is the weaponry used.
You don’t have to tell me, tell everyone who made the claim
I live about an hour from the Russian border. I know people on the other side. I can read Russian well enough to follow their news since we're probably fairly high up on the list of targets if this goes really wrong. Not that that would end well for Russia, but they're not exactly behaving rationally atm.
I know what it really looks like inside Russia. Can you claim the same, or do you just like to spread misinformation?
What the F are you talking about you dumbass? I am AGREEING WITH YOU
You are, huh? Where?
You didn't answer my question.
Maybe look up the phrase someone is using, in this case “you don’t have to tell me” before you start to make accusations.
And do you really want me to answer whether I like to spread misinformation?
Yeah, no :)
In that case, do you want to disclose where you're getting your information from?
I'm asking because it really does look like you're simply trying to push your opinions as fact.
Do you understand Russian? Can you read it? Do you know anyone inside Russia?
The only thing I stated as a fact is they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which is from the CSIS, a source I have already provided a few times in this thread.
The other things I said are “I will believe it when I see it”
And “this sounds like”
Which is clearly a phrase to voice an opinion. Now THAT is a fact.
And why would I need to understand Russian? All Russia is sending out is disnformation.
What makes you think I don’t understand what’s going on in this war. Please use direct quotes from my comment where I have claimed things as fact that are untrue.
There are other sources than their media, which indeed is full of propaganda. Even they are slowly starting to sour at the war in general at this point in time, though. More than one host has openly questioned the war at this point. The (pathetically small) middle class is also not particularly happy at the progress and rations they now have to endure, and even less so since their sons are next to get to go play in the meatgrinder. These are things I've heard firsthand from Russians.
Those with family here come over the border to buy groceries and fuel any chance they get. It's not unusual to see some Russian buy 20 cucumbers and as much flour and milk he can carry, for example. Also, basic medicine is popular because they simply do not have any domestic availability for these things. If that's not an indicator of how bad it is, I don't know what you're thinking.
If you can't speak Russian, I still wonder why you think you have any real knowledge about how things are inside Russia. Sure, they're shooting their missile reserves (and the really expensive ones at that), but that is something they can't keep up indefinitely.
Lastly, the conscription is extremely unpopular inside Russia, although few dare to speak out loudly, for now. That is also something that they can't do indefinitely without completely destroying their population.
I find it pretty arrogant that you think you know the situation on the ground based on an article or two that you happened to come across. I can ensure you that this missile barrage is an act of desperation, nothing more.
Their oil production is bad enough that they have to import refined fuel. Think about that for a minute and come back to tell me shit hasn't hit the fan, I dare you.
What knowledge am I claiming about Russia?
Again quote me. Unless you can, you’re just making things up.
And why do you think speaking Russian makes you more knowledgeable? In these times Russian is easily translated…
I find it pretty arrogant that you think you’re the only one who knows anything. And you’re arguing against points I have never made.
And everyone knows they have to import their gasoline (but not diesel). And that is not a result of sanctions or economy, but a result of successful Ukrainian strikes on their refineries. So that’s bullshit as well.
It’s well known that common Russians aren’t happy. And I’ve stated multiple times in this thread that the economy getting worse is mostly affecting people in poor areas, who were already having a shitty time.
You’re just stating common knowledge as if they’re some kind of secret fact that only you have inside information about, and you have the arrogance to call me arrogant? Yeah man…. Get lost :)