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I doubt the Russian economy will collapse as long as China supports it. And China will keep supporting it, because there is much to gain for them.
Yes, the sick man of europe and asia won't be going anywhere any time soon. Nobody wants to take over Russia, and Russia doesn't have seccessationist movements. The only thing that will stop the war is Putin at this stage. Preferably in a casket.
Every bit of support they give costs Russia something. Prestige, economic rights, even eventually land. In the end, they're going to pay.
Well the Russian economy is already collapsing, so where you get that idea from is kind of weird.
I'm not sure if we have the same idea when it comes to collapsing. In my mind it's a bit more than a shrinking economy and inconveniences for some things in daily life. I would say that a collapsing economy results in instability on many levels, high rates of joblessness, countless companies going bankrupt, societal unrest, rapid price fluctuations of practically everything, etc. Some of those things are happening in Russia, but not nearly enough to call it a collapse imo.
I don't really disagree with that, but much of that has actually been happening for some time. Many small companies have closed, but Putin has ordered banks to not declare companies bankrupt. which is why we haven't seen the big bankruptcies yet, and we haven't seen the unemployment yet. Regarding price fluctuations we have also already seen inflation increase despite high national bank interest rates that have helped keep it down. But it's estimated prices in Russia have increased by about 50% since Russia started the war 4½ year ago. There is also not social unrest yet, but there is frequent fighting in the lines to get fuel.
So almost everything you expect to see is happening. And some of it has already happened for a while. A collapse is not a sudden thing, especially for a country as big as Russia.
It's a gradual thing that happens over time, where things continue to get worse. And they've been getting worse in Russia for a couple of years, but now it's beginning to accelerate really fast.
Putin and Russia have been very good at kicking the can down the road, but now it's many cans, and the road is pretty steep now, so they can't really kick them much further.
I bet the point where you would call it clearly a collapse too is very close. Many Russians are comparing conditions now with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and people are talking outright against Putin, despite you can go to prison for that, and going to prison can easily be a death sentence.
Fair enough, perhaps I was wrong about thinking no collapse will happen soon. Time will tell. I suppose it could happen if the energy sector collapses, it will drag everything along with it, no help from China can stop that I think.
Yes absolutely, without energy everything collapses very quickly.
In Crimea they have extreme fuel shortage, and private people can't buy fuel at all.
Most places are without electricity, and have maybe 1-2 hours electricity per day. The lack of electricity also has the result that they have no water, because there is no energy to pump the water.
Obviously you can't store fresh food either, so everything that doesn't have long shelf life rots in days.
And food in shops is rationed.
In Crimea there is no doubt that basically everything has collapsed, but Crimea is just about 2 mil people, not a lot compared to the 140 million of all of Russia. But what has already happened to Crimea is happening even to Moscow now, but it takes more time, because what is happening in Moscow is a result of what is happening in Russia in general.
Ukraine claims they have taken out more than 40% of Russia's oil refining capacity. And logistics/transports are already collapsing, when that collapses everything else will follow.
I mean China isn't supporting the Russian economy per se; they're just trading with them.
That is literally the economy.
True, but it's not support. China's posture towards the Ukraine war is much closer to neutral than pro-Russia. The top comment implies that China is somehow giving aid (or something analogous to aid) to Russia, but that's just not happening; what China is doing regarding the Russian invasion the default and it's what most of the rest of the world is doing: nothing.
They are only supporting the military?
[Russians covertly trained by China return to fight in Ukraine, sources say
](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russians-covertly-trained-by-china-return-fight-ukraine-sources-say-2026-05-19/)
Eh, I would argue that trade agreements and active orientation to Russia of certain business sectors counts as supporting, but I'm no economist, perhaps you're right.