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It didn’t become woke after Enterprise, just mostly shitty. With showrunners that like to hide behind the supposed wokeness as a defense against criticism and rightwing assholes happily blaming the shittiness on wokeness.
I got banned from one of the Star Trex instances for saying I don't like new trek.
It's not my fault the writing is shit. Try lasting for more than 3 seasons and then defend the show.
It sucks that the smokescreen of conservatives hating new trek for being too woke exists because part of the problem with new trek is that it's fake woke. It wears the face of progressivism like a skin mask while being a bland representation of an ideal future as imagined by a past era of liberalism that no longer exists.
I have the same problem with the MCU.
There are certain projects that I don't like just because they suck, not because they have women or minorities.
MCU is pretty much BOBs fault for having streaming, he wanted it to justify the cost of the streaming servicing pushing out slop after slop. from what ive seen, mcu movies, and shows were just promoting the next show or movies.
I like SNW and LD. disc has its moments, and I am perfectly fine seeing alternate universe starfleet. Haven't watched Picard. Probably won't.
It's okay to not like something.
I also wish the writing were a little better, but we can't all be Measure of a Man or Inner Light.
picard is almost as bad as STD, I wouldnt watch it(how can they drop the borg alliance in season 2, when season 3 came around(plus too many continuity errors in season 3 that were resolved in old trek(like Changelings, the borg queen that died in voyager endgame, it was also quite clear that most of the material was lifted from non-canon novels that fans wrote). LD and prodigy were quite different, and i think hold a better candle to the 3 main series.
Also remember those older sites had stinker bottle episodes along with the award winning great ones. But we can always just skip them, unlike now where everything (except SNW) is a serialized story where no episodes can be shipped without missing details on the overall story. Some characters talk for one scene and it's like 1/3 of their entire screentime on the show.
I love bottle episodes. And clip shows.
I liked all of them (mainly because i like most movies and tv shows, i'm a simple man) but I also respect other people opinions.
I just don't understand a significant minority of people's opinion that they should yuck someone else's yum. How hard is it for people to just be nice? Kindness is free after all.
I feel similarly to you. Also I'm expecting the next series to come out and people to start slowly finding things they like about disco trek.
same, why is trek communities so holier than thou, gatekept? i suspect alot of them are the nu-fans. when i criticized the writing, and why they have to include so much characthers that were the exact oppsoite of og trek, comment removed from those instances. there was a user here that was obsessed with the lgbtq+ couple in std(i think you know who it is, who had a mental breakdown while on lemmy because he was spending alot of time defending his nutrek positions on mutliple platforms), i dont think they played a big role in the show just because they were lgbtq+
Stop downvoting everyone in the thread just because you got downvoted. Votes are public and your behavior is childish. This isn’t the first time i’ve noticed you doing this.
Edit: Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip & remon@ani.social also think it’s funny to downvote people calling out anti social behavior. I seriously don’t understand some people’s logic downvoting for no reason on a site where votes are public.
I downvote people who whine about downvotes.
I was just scrolling and haven't followed the thread so please be aware that I'm responding in isolation, out of context to whatever situation you're referring to.
Sometimes I'll disagree with a part or most of a comment that someone made, however I'll also recognize that my opinion on it doesn't align with what the echo chamber thinks. Perhaps I'll just respond anyway, but often I don't want to deal with the expected dogpile and personal comments which I find emotionally taxing, so I'll just downvote instead. In those cases it might appear I'm downvoting for no reason, but there are definitely reasons.
I'm not complaining about downvotes in general. I dislike people who downvote people who mention downvoting (like the two I call out in the above comment) and people who downvote every comment in a thread just because their own comment was downvoted (like bigtyme who i've noticed a bunch of times downvoting entire threads just because someone downvoted him).
Neither of those things are conducive to a social web with a small population.
I downvote people I disagree with and upvote people I agree with. I don't even check if people downvote me because I don't give a shit. My comment has 13 upvotes, I don't even give a shit to check the ratio because I'm just going to assume only 13 people read the comment and bothered to upvote it.
You're acting like a child. Drawing a false conclusion, stalking me apparently, and whining about something that will be forgotten in a day. I've also upvoted people, but I guess you're a bad stalker.
Fucking pathetic.
It is imo much more disturbing to see people publicly call out their downvoters and provoke a witch hunt. If any, that behaviour is antisocial and most definitely downvote-worthy.
Ah okay that makes sense then. I'd seen some comments from other people on here about not downvoting as a dislike button, and I thought that's what you were saying as well, but it wasn't.
It was shitty writing with zero subtly.
Kinda like the original Footloose where it introduces how strongly against dancing the reverend and town is and only later does it slowly build to the revelation his son died after a night of partying.
But the remake has to open with the party and deaths, funeral and banning dancing.
This, well said
exactly this, Kurtzman and the paramount executives were determining the type of content that was coming out of trek. sooner or later TREK franchise was going to run into problems with ELISION eventually.
In hindsight this is what cancelled the SG reboot again, the executives wanted more "audience", they got mad when the showrunners dint go thier way and cancelled the "new series".
And I remember the times when Trekkies trashed Enterprise and Voyager as bad and the bottom of the barrel. I always got good and bad from every incarnation of Star Trek. Sometimes the good outweighs the bad like TNG and Deep Space 9 and sometimes it's the other way around like Enterprise and Discovery.
Not I, said the lion. IMO Voyager is actually worse than some of the new trek, and Enterprise is the worst of them all. It's just so incredibly boring.
now everyone mournes enterprise and voyager, because compared to nutrek, they were pretty decent.
I'd say Strange New Worlds is way better than Enterprise...