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it's not just the one dumb motherfucker in charge, it's practically the entire goddamn government. anyone who isn't vocally outspoken against AI companies and aiming to put a hard stop to their data centers is fully responsible for any and all harm they're currently causing (and the hardware inflation is such a minor part of said harm).
anyway abolish capitalism and send techbros to the guillotines
What does this mean, exactly?
Reorganize our economic system into one in which the means of production, ie factories, farms, utilities etc, are collectively owned by the people instead of being owned by the rich elite who take all profit for themselves.
So, no mom and pop shops? No lemonade stands? No independent book stores? No family farms? Nobody allowed to sell homemade quilts or paintings?
How did you get that from what he said? Your example would still be the people who make the product owning the profits.
So, you're in favour of private ownership of the means of production?
You're confusing personal property with essential infrastructure. You can have and sell all those things even under communism.
No, private property is things like a coat and shoes.
If someone owns an industrial lemon juicer, that's part of the means of production, and must be collectively owned. Sorry Jenny, you can't have a lemonade stand.
Alright buddy, whatever you say.
You mean, whatever Marx says.
Well he was a key theoritician of communism, so partly, but also Engles, Lenin, Che, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Fanon, Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, many others. It'd be a shame if I only ever read one author when communism has been developed by multitudes of scientists, teachers and other thinkers over the last 150 years.
And which of them thought that communism without capitalism allowed someone to run a for-profit business?
Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn't be a problem. They aren't exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises.
That's an "if" big enough to drive a train through.
There has never been a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met. So, pretending that that's the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you're pretty desperate.
Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step.
Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business.
What about in the real world?
And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories.
There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away.
Sure professor. Keep digging that grave.
I'm not sure, but let's live a little, try something new and see where it goes.
I play music and grow some mean artichokes. Like they have thorns and everything they're delicious. Willing to trade sass for butter
you take capitalism
you place under guillotine
you manœuver guillotine
done
Hunger ensues.
shiiiii I forgot last step !
eat the rich
Communism, comrad!
Why don't you draw the logical conclusion, and realize it's the American population that elected the dumb motherfucker that is responsible for the entire administration. And an American population that also elected a congress that doesn't do anything!
For fucks sake, Americans elected an obvious psychopath for president, with an equally psychopathic vice president!!!
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I'm guessing the downvotes are Americans that are in denial, because the above claims are undeniable facts, except the motherfucker part, which is rhetoric I borrowed from the previous posts.
Electoral politics means nothing when the entire issue is rooted in the very foundations of the country and capitalism as a whole. One dumbass being elected isn't an anomaly, he's an inevitable symptom of the problems that have been there for ages.
So are you one of those that claim that Republicans and Democrats are the same?
That having a Republican controlled congress with a Republican president is the same as if they were both Democrat?
because if you answer that with a yes, I think I'm just gonna block you.
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Really downvoted for saying the truth? Americans sure like their delusions and false equivalences. 🤮🤮🤮
Spoken like a true lib lmao
Your comment assumes the people have real power. The parties are not the same but they also are in ways. This is the manufactured fight they shove us all into because it’s beneficial for maintaining their power and keeping us distracted. Both roads lead to a genocide continuing and they both allow the same people to maintain wealth. It’s not a blue vs red issue; it’s an us vs them one. It’s class war among the wealthy and the poor working class. You can vote blue if it helps you sleep at night, but just understand that it’s the equivalent of Maggie’s steering wheel in the Simpsons intro. The illusion changes on the surface but continues the same behind the scenes at the root, because they will never allow us to vote away their power.
Careful, lemmings hate it when you point out that voters and non voters are responsible for the government we have, or that it's largely a reflection of the culture and society we propagate.
They hate it just about as much as the non-statesians here hate this article
Absolutely, Trump is a symptom not the disease, American society is sick. That doesn't mean all Americans are sick, there are good Americans. But enough Americans see psychopathy as an expression of freedom. So they are willing to vote for a clear psychopath. The disease in American society is like a cancer, it's not all cells in the body that are cancerous, but it's enough to make the society very very sick.
"American society" is sick. Which Dreamland country where oligarchs don't control the decisions are you from again?
The whole world is sick my guy.
False equivalence.
Oligarchs do definitely not control my country, because I live in a country that has full democracy contrary to USA that is a flawed democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
But it's not because the democracy is flawed that USA is sociopathic, or because the oligarchs have too much power, the American society is literally mentally ill with widespread accept of a level of sociopathy that is only seen in very few countries.
Examples of that are, 3 strikes and you are out, prisoners can't vote, lack of healthcare for all, extreme fascist-like religious bigotry against LGBT+, death sentence, police shooting civilians. and of course extremely high murder rate, and the most extreme rate of people in prison in the world.
These are points made with broad strokes, there are many more and all of them are caused by a complete sociopathic lack of will in society to fix these problems, and even a sociopathic endorsement of the above conditions. The tendency is to go with the sociopathic solution of just persecuting the victims more.
THAT'S the sociopathy of American society. That you don't see any other country with remotely equal wealth express to nearly the degree USA does.
The American people are some of the most propagandised on Earth. Our education has been eroded over decades and we are steeped in a media sphere almost entirely owned by the wealthy which constantly discredits anything remotely socialist and tells almost nothing but lies about the outside world. People can't even usually protest in a serious way without losing their jobs, and therefore their healthcare and housing. When protesters burned down the police station in Minneapolis in 2020, that was ranked with a higher approval rating than nearly any politician elected at the time.
Even if a good candidate is elected, the power comes from the wealthy, they will subvert any thing progressive using their trillions of dollars and surveillance panopticon.
So a lot of Americans did vote for this horrific administration, but most people don't even know what they are voting for, and voter turnout is egregiously bad because most people don't feel they can even trust what they are told about politics.
And the second time around?
Exactly, taking your country back, should start with taxing the rich heavily, not with giving them even lower taxes. That would be a good start for Americans.
Yeah it’s 100% on the people and not the constant onslaught of propaganda; the fake checks and balances that were actually escape hatches for the wealthy; the terrible propped up candidates, like the time the US population very much wanted Bernie, and instead got Hillary; AIPAC and other lobbyists permeating the government; nepotism; the ramping up of police funding; the capture of all media by the right; manipulation via companies like Meta, who have been involved in regime change and genocide before…
This is simple cause and effect which seems to be lost on a lot of people. Trump and his dipshit admin is losing traction daily when it comes to voter support because they can no longer uphold the lies. We’re now at the point where they’re telling us the pond is clear when it’s green.
But the people are 100% to blame for this one. We only had a metric fuckton of literature and predictions dating back over a hundred years telling us this would happen and that capitalism would absolutely collapse and corrupt in this way.
Ultimately the responsibility is on the people. Who else would it be?
It’s on the people to break free of their chains and revolt, but they have to stop blaming each other first, and stop misidentifying symptoms as causes.
On that we agree.
Right on. Being able to bridge those gaps is gonna make or break the future for the working class. If we have too many purity test barriers, we won’t ever be able to truly unify. Fred Hampton was a great voice when it came to reminding folks of this. The left can constantly lambast “libs” but the reality is that a lot of folks are getting educated and are willing to talk. Deterring them with gated communities and tests will only hinder our collective progress. At the end of the day, we’re all on the same side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
I must admit I don't know who he is, but that is an excellent (awful) example of my claim that American society is sick.
A normal police of a civilized country would never do something like that.
I don't know much about black panthers, but AFAIK they started out as a group protecting black people that were harassed by white people, and whites still practiced segregation in 1969 AFAIK despite it was illegal at the time. The racial hatred was insane! Or maybe it wasn't decidedly hatred, but a sense of entitlement among whites, and they hated when people of color tried to change that.
As someone who lives in Denmark, this is not something we have any focus on, except possibly an anecdotal story in history class in school.
Anyways people need to learn to pull together on improvements that respect human rights.
The Black Panthers essentially filled a void that the US government was never going to fill for the Black community. They also understood that for any sort of revolution to happen, they had to appeal to the working class regardless of color. Hampton was extremely young but insanely well-spoken for his age. He understood this well and never spoke in a demeaning or exclusionary way, despite how poorly the Black community was (and is) treated. The Black Panthers were responsible for creating a multitude of community programs that helped a lot of people left behind by their government and was centered around Black self-determination.
A small sample list of the programs they created:
That's absolutely awesome, sad that they were vilified.