Regarding ADHD specifically I think we (in most of the western world at least) live in societies

yes, we live in a society, i am very much reminded of this whenever i read the crap you post in this thread.

Oh right, i'm back. Thank god i am not an AmeriKKKan living in a food desert, but live in a mostly walkable environment where i can do this stuff quickly. I seriously do not know how i would get anything done if i would need to drive for half an hour first. But guess what, it is still not enough. You cannot change society to the point where it allows me to live the way i want to because the problem is not structural, it is neurochemical. Material conditions under capitalism make it worse, more stressful, often more costly because i have to pay late fees all the fucking time, living with ADHD under these conditions often fucks me over in ways that relegate me to the bottom rungs of capitalist society, like that one time where i had to drop out of college because of ADHD or that one time where i lost my job because of it or that other time where i lost my job because of it. All of these are actual issues were capitalism intersects with my disability.

But people like you, YES YOU, who pretend that my problems are not actual problems are another factor that makes my life harder. You do not do the thing that most other ableists do, where you argue that i am lazy and should just pull myself up by the bootstraps. Instead you are a socialist ableist who dismisses my problems as mere symptoms of capitalism. But that does not change that you dismiss my symptoms to the same extend that any chud who thinks i'm just a stupid loser who refuses to pull her own weight dismisses them.

that demand a lot from the individual regarding planning, structure, bureaucratic work and timeliness - all things that are difficult for most people with ADHD. So yes, that would be taking away their ability to function as members of society.

And this is how i know that you do not spend enough time with people who have ADHD. We are also impacted in all other parts of our lifes. I struggle to keep contact with anybody but my very closest friends that require the least amount of effort to socialize. I struggle to maintain relationships because i am forgetful and can't listen and lack the spoons to be mindful and bring little gifts and i get distracted during sex. Having a functioning relationship with somebody who has another form of neurodivergence is a struggle, having one with a neurotypical person is outright impossible for me. THESE ARE COMMON DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ADHD BTW. This condition is not defined solely by how we fit into a work or school context. It constantly interferes with out social lifes. Do i have to get into how impossible it is for me to be patient with ignorant know it alls like you who seriously carry water for RFK jr. because they love to talk down to me so much? Do i have to explain to you how hard this shit makes it for me not to crash out all the time, how severe my abandomnent issues are, how i spiral because i can't move from one emotional state to the other or how sometimes the exact opposite happens and i do not clear arguments up properly because i cannot remember how mad i was 5 minutes ago? Don't worry, that is not happening right now, i'm in hyperfocus now, so it's all good. Maybe i should make a list of the hobbies i have abandoned over my life next. I would do the same with activist work, but i can't do that without doxxing myself.

But yes, clearly the problem is only how a poor bean like me does not fit into late stage capitalism. Socialism would of course fix me. Don't get me wrong, it would be necessary to actually live with dignity, but it would still require meds. If we would get socialism and you'd be the general secretary, i would be fucked.

In this sense, ADHD medication is still not a cure, but a tradeoff that allow us to keep having the same expectation of peoples ability to comply with the above values, regardless of who they are. As the expectations become more demanding, so does the need for ADHD medication.

SHUTTHEFUCKUPSHUTHTEFUCKUOPSHUTTHEFUCKUOP OH MY GOD PLEASE JUST SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH

My original point was not that it is good to take away medication and leave people to themselves

But that is literally what you are defending here. This is a thread complaining about how that exact thing is about to happen in the US and your reaction to that is "well i think he has a point actually."

but that (in the case of ADHD) embracing neurodiversity and the demands we put on each other as a society could lessen the need for medication, thereby making less medication = good. Of course this is very much an oversimplification of what would be needed.

"Embracing neurodiversity" is not what you are doing, you are shitting all over it.

This is too insulting and dismissive to reply right away, i would only get mad at the sheer ableism and cruelty on display, but i'll come back to this later. I've made another post itt that lays out why this is so infuriating to me, maybe read that if you want a perspective that is not ableist garbage.

I see a lot of my adhd friends struggle to get stuff done they want to do, hobbies, hangouts, finishing projects etc. It effecting their social lives. I think they'd still want to finish hobby projects regardless of capitalism or not.

Yes that would be nice. It's really hell trying to fit into a structure that your body refuses to conform to