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You're right Poroshenko saying they will live in cellars and Ukraine bombing civilian population since 2014 absolutely does not say ethnic cleansing. There's a literal statement of intent there to remove Russian speaking population. And then there's a genocide case at the UN. I bet you haven't even opened a single link before writing your vapid comment.
Poroshenko saying stupid shit does not proof your claim in any way. And you mean the case submitted by Ukraine at the ICJ where the ICJ stated that it had found no evidence of a genocide of Russians by Ukraine?
Also Poroshenko was describing the current situation in Donbas under the occupation by pro-Russian militants, not declaring a future policy.
Sure buddy, the president saying the regime aims to commit ethnic cleansing while they openly attack civilians doesn't prove shit. You keep on telling yourself that. I love also immediately rush to how you dehumanize the victims as 'pro-Russian' militants. Oh and of course, we can just look at what's happening in Ukraine today, I assume your firm support must be over shared values https://nv.ua/ukr/lifestyle/spisok-pidarasiv-u-budanova-pomitili-nezvichniy-bloknot-50603357.html
I mean he did not say what you claim as I have already told you. Simply repeating it does not make it true.
Also I have no clue what you try to tell me with that article.
So where are we on ethnic cleansing? Still nowhere it seems.
I don't know where are we on ethnic cleansing when the current Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine keeps a notebook of subraces. I guess we'll never know what this could possibly mean.
What did you use to translate that page?
підарас translates to faggot/asshole/bastart.
So it is a list of bastards and has nothing to do with sub-races.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BF%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81
Try google translate, but even with this translation it's very obviously not bastard.
I mean you could have simply conseded the point instead of hammering down on your mistake.
Look at the notebook and show me the word that translates to what you claim it does.
I already did, you're not fooling anybody here.
Never seen someones argument fall apart so hard after manouvering themselves into a corner.
The wall of links, nothingburgers, the president who apparently said everything out loud taken completely out of context and then the dramatic notebook. A mistranslation that lead you into believing something to be true just because you wish for it to be so.
I love how you just keep repeating this in face of all evidence provided. You're like baby Goebbels.
I mean you could, at any point, proof your points. Like simply spelling out the word on the notebook. Just write it down. Come on, it is so easy.
Or if that is too much, how about linking that other UN case that must exist where Ukraine did not win the case.
So many opportunities, none taken. You can also simply accept that you have been lied to by others which lead to you believing a lie. It is okay to make mistakes.
I did, but you just ignore or hand wave them away. And then you just keep repeating your talking points. It's so ham fisted.
I disproved every single point you have made. No link contained what you have claimed. The UN case went to Ukraine. The speach did not contain what you have claimed, the notebook did not either. Disproving your claims is not handwaving.
I asked you for simple proof, you keep ignoring it. Just say it: Sorry I was wrong, I will not falsely claim that Ukraine commited genocide.
And if you ignore that again I will just accept that as a silent apology as you clearly have nothing else going on that supports your claim.
If by disproved you mean spewed nonsense confidently then sure. For example, the UN case won't be resolved till 2028. And that's just one piece of misinformation that you could've easily checked before regurgitating it.
The speech contained precisely what I said. Poroshenko was very explicit with what he was saying.
We both know what the notebook says too.
Just stop lying.
Fair point on the UN case timeline, I was wrong on that. The final ruling isn't until 2028. That said, the ICJ already stated in 2022 it found no evidence of genocide by Ukraine. Russia's genocide claim has found zero support in any international body so far.
The Poroshenko speech is still documented Russian disinformation from 2014, and підарас still means scumbag regardless of what the translation tool of your choice tells you.
Funny how detailed you got when I slipped up, but 'we both know' was enough for everything else.
The actual fact is that the case is ongoing. And so far, there has been a mountain of evidence presented, a lot of which I've linked in this very thread. That evidence includes HRW statements about Ukraine shelling civilians. I linked a whole documentary detailing the atrocities the regime has been conducting in Donbas. I've linked a clip from CNN interview. And no, підарас does not mean scumbag. You know what it means. Literally everything you've said in this thread so far is demonstrably a lie.
And here's a firefox translating the notebook story for you:
The Firefox translation is of the headline, which uses an asterisk that breaks the word for the parser. The notebook itself spells підарасів in full with no asterisk. Google Translate, Wiktionary, and Ukrainian linguistic sources all agree on the meaning. Ukrainian press censored it because it is a slur. If it meant subraces there would be nothing to censor.
War crimes and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing. HRW documented shelling on both sides. You have been making this claim for hours and the best you can do is a Firefox parser error and a 2016 pro-Russian documentary. If this mountain of evidence is so convincing, why did Russia need to fabricate the Poroshenko cellar clip to make their case?
Sure bud, but yes the other meaning is pretty clear too, which is a homophobic slur. The claim I made is that war crimes are conducted in the interest of ethnic cleansing and that the regime isn't even hiding it, Poroshenko was very open about the intent. It's just trolls like you in the west who pretend it's something else. Russia didn't need to fabricate anything. You're just a deeply dishonest individual. Go do you trolling back on your fed instance where people aren't going to call out your bullshit.
Glad we agree it's a slur and not subraces. That was the whole point.
Specifically a homophobic slur of the types fascists use when they round up undesirables.
lmao no that's not what it means, it means a list of fwords and nobody with even a modicum of intellectual integrity would translate it as a list of bastards. You're so bad at this. It's like when you trolls call nazi tattoos Hindu symbols. 🤣
I started with what Firefox translates, but I'm humoring your interpretation which isn't any better. I didn't move any goalposts, I'm simply pointing out that no matter how you try to spin this, it's obviously Budanov referring to people he sees as subhuman. And it's hilarious how you keep trying to whitewash this. Next, you're gonna tell me homophobia isn't prevalent in Ukraine. 🤣
No, I said all the other resources I linked proved ethnic cleansing. This was just the cherry on top that I linked much later. Try to keep your story straight. You've conflated to completely separate things here being the clown that you are. I didn't drop anything, I've just been addressing your dishonest comments which focused on the notebook. I've already repeatedly explained the basis for calling what Ukraine was doing ethnic cleansing. You're just so bad at trolling. Really should work on that kiddo.
Oh they very much do if you bothered engaging with them. But hey you keep on spreading your propaganda to receptive audiences. Clearly you're very dedicated to whitewashing fascism.
I didn't mention Russia in a single comment in this thread.
The only good thing to come out of this Ukraine war is the absolute economic destruction of the EU. Sure, Russia suffered as well, but I'm just really glad Europe will soon become irrelevant for the most part. Not that they don't deserve worse, but we'll settle for irrelevance
lemmygrad user discovers accelerationism, more at 11.
The eu steals from its members and gives to germany & co. They also engage in election manipulation. Destroying it liberates the people in the non-core eu countries from those thieves. Therefore, not accelerationism.
Wanting to destroy a system to liberate people from it is literally the definition of accelerationism regardless of what you call it.
You're confusing anti imperialism with accelerationism.
Nah, wanting the imperialist countries to no longer have the ability to be imperialist is anti-imperialism.
No, it isn't. If the European economy runs on imperialism, then the European working classes have a duty to overthrow that imperialist system that they benefit from in order to stop leaching off the global south, and start planning the economy to suit the needs of the people.
Sounds more like you're downplaying the utter parasitism of the EU, when you are trying to make it about European suffering more than global south liberation.
That's so fucking stupid. Apparently wanting to destroy the system of apartheid in South Africa was also accelerationism, as was the abolitionist movement trying to end the system of slavery in the nineteenth century. You people will just say anything, regardless of whether it makes sense. Deeply fucking unserious.
You can't force me to accept your personal made-up definition.
No matter how authorative you try to sound.
No it isn't, lying scum
No matter how authorative you try to sound, you can’t force me to accept your personal made-up definition.