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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

marriage and children is more expensive than dating, by far. fulltime childcare costs are 2-5K per kid, for about 4-5 years before they can get into kindergarten. if one partner makes less than 50-75K, it makes no sense for them to work.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

nordic nations with lots of subsidies also have kow birthrates

if you give women choice, (education, careers etc) they mostly choose 0, 1 or 2 kids at most, all of those choices are below replacement. For every woman choosing 0, you need another choosing 5 just to stand still.

If you take away choice, keep women mostly at home, use religious indoctrination (quiver full) and insist upon a patriarchal society sans birth control you'll raise the birthrate. It's why many conservatives are starting to talk about banning birth control, where once they frowned on teen moms, they're now advocating for it.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 0 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

True, but unless you or your partner are against the very idea, most prospective relationships start with dating, then are moving toward marriage, children, or both.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 16 hours ago

yes, and mostly 1 or 2 kids at most which is a falling birthrate, for every woman that chooses 0, you need another to choose 5 basically just to stand still.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

some well-off professionals in nyc, have basically started 'plantonic co-parenting' arrangements.

as in, two well-off couples produce a child, but are not romantically involved, the child is basically a small business they co-own and invest in... and the child is not a product of love, but a product of financial investment of each partner...

basically child production without dating, marriage, or any personal relationship between the parents.

that's where we are today. the concept of a loving family is now being replaced by purely transactional relationships that are treated as business arrangements.