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Would it make a difference if the laws of physics prevent or allow a machine from operating in 'duplicate' mode?

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[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For all I know I've been cut and and pasted 20 times in the last 5 minutes. There'd be no practical difference and I'd feel the same. This is only an issue if you think there's something like a "soul".

[โ€“] NonTrinary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You wouldn't feel anything. A copy of you would be the one not feeling the difference.

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You have absolutely no reason to believe that.

What happens if there's a malfunction in the machine and the copy is made at the other end without the original version being destroyed? Do you think you would experience both perspectives simultaneously?

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My original answer does indeed include "assuming everything works as intended".

[โ€“] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, but even if everything did work as intended there is still the possibility that it might not have done, and that possibility helps us understand what is actually happening, which is that you are killed and a copy of you is created somewhere else. There is absolutely no reason to believe that your experience would magically transfer over to that copy.

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by "your experience"?

There is nothing magic about this. I am what my brain does. My physical brain and its physical contents are cut and pasted.

Edit: "cut and pasted" is used here like with digital files, to avoid saying "copypasted" because I'm actively avoiding that can of worms of creating copies.

[โ€“] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Again, you have no evidence for any of that.

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For claiming that you are what your brain does, and the (implied) correlation that another identical brain would therefore continue to manifest an identical experience. All of this is entirely conjectural, we have no evidence one way or another.

Your caveat that you must be cut and pasted and not copied doesn't help your argument, in fact it does the opposite, because it is not theoretically impossible that two identical versions of "you" could exist concurrently.

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is afaik our current best guess at what consciousness is. If you don't accept that model as true at least for the moment, I don't know what we're talking about.

[โ€“] icanbrewmushrooms@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We don't know what consciousness is, that's my point. It's called 'the hard problem of consciousness' for a reason, there is no consensus.

[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

That's why I said current best guess. If we have no idea at all, this entire discussion is useless and OP should delete.