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Wait, these crew members were on a ship, not on US soil. US Customs and Immigration is on land which you have to pass through to get to the USA. ICE actually dragged them onto US soil just so they could say they were there illegally? WTF?!
Technically you need permission to dock. It means that the entire crew manifest was known to the government prior to arrival and they were given permission to dock. Then they were arrested. If there was a problem with them being in the US they should never have been given permission.
Applying logic here won't work.
Apparently DCL registers its ships in the Bahamas. I don't know if ICE/CBP have jurisdiction on foreign ships without a bunch of warrants.
I know Disney's lawyers are well funded and ruthless, but does anyone think they'll go into bat for these people? They only seem to care about copyright infringement, not their actual workers.
This hurts the Disney image and the margins on their cruises, so they might.
ICE vs MICE
Mickey Mouse organisation vs Mick-Mouse organisation
A high profile lawsuit might be seen as something which could also hurt their image. The entire population of The Villages would probably boycot Disney World. Hopefully Disney's execs pay attention to public opinion and not just their golf buddies.
I've done some work for Disney and the amount of effort that goes into the Disney image is astounding. It's the main thing they care about besides money although they are related.
If ICE shows they'll storm a foreign flagged cruise ship to abduct crew members, why would any passenger think they wouldn't also try to grab them, too?
Wearing an embroidered polo doesn't change your rights.
Are they even their "actual workers" or are they contractors?
(Read the tone as snark towards Disney for over using contractors and refusing to hire people, not at who I am replying to.)
Indeed. They'll care even less about them. I'm sure they're being exploited to the hilt. Fuck Disney.
It depends if the optics become so severe it’s impossible for them to ignore.
There are ways to make that happen.
If it becomes a big enough embarrassment they'll respond.
Maybe with some sort of statement, but no actual action.
You think Disney are going to go to bat for people on CSEM charges? Can't see it myself.
Depends how "trumped up" those charges are.
If it's clearly and easily provable that it's bogus, they might fight back.
Me neither. My question was expressing my doubt.
Well yeah "Disney helps free pedos" is not really a headline they're going to want.
What's with the presumption of guilt?
What presumption of guilt?
They seem to think they have jurisdiction in AMERICAN CITIZENS’ HOUSES without a judicial warrant; surely foreign ships are considered gimmes.
Even if the workers aren't eligible to enter the US, it should only be an issue if they disembark
Normally all people on a ship have to go through immigration at the first port the ship stops at in a country. Everyone has to go through the immigration process, whether they say they plan to go ashore or not.
That include passengers, crew and ship's officers.
Oh you sweet summer child: ICE has already executed American citizens in broad daylight (on camera) for exercising their constitutional rights. Why would laws matter now?
I'm not talking about laws. I'm talking about their supposed mandate to deport those in the US illegally. These folks on the ship weren't even in the USA so there was no need to take them into the USA to deport them.
There's also plenty of people in the US legally they have detained and deported / have killed.
Their mandate is racism, control, and projecting power.
I don't disagree with any of that, but it has nothing to do with my specific point.
CBP comes onboard to process all the guests and crew before a ship gets to the US. I'm thinking these crew members couldn't get their I-95's and got deported (instead of not getting shore leave in the US) so that Trump can flood the zone with more "winning".
The handful of cruises I've been on you pass through CBP immediately after getting off the ship.
I'm thinking nobody bothered to check the paperwork and they just grabbed some people that weren't "white enough".
That's not how it works.
Any ship in any country 's territorial waters is subject to that country's laws.