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[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Caesar was a piece of shit

[–] Sagan_Wept@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Genocidal and a tyrant

[–] BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He murdered up to 60% of Gaul's total population

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but if he hadn't there would be more French people

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I would argue that without Caesar, there wouldn't be any French people.

[–] BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but like, OP wasn't there for that.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Brought about dictatorship in Rome

[–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The Republic's government was failing for a long time. The generals in the republic simply had too much power. When rebels rose in the Sertorian War the senate couldn't do anything for years until Pompey finally ended it, had highlighting the power of the generals over the senate. This wasn't unknown in the republic. It's the reason why the first triumvirate was able to form. The republic had too little checks and balances.

[–] eyes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There were 85 dictators before him. I'm not kidding.

[–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Dictatorship was a tool of the republic. It's where the term came from. In Rome you have to differentiate a tyrant from a dictator. Just look at Cincinnatus.

[–] Sirius006@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

How is it better to have just one?

[–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

He also managed to strip the power from wealthy senators in Rome to give the common people better representation; even if it was only in principal rather than installed/formalized in a new system of government. He was a misguided man by the time he was murdered, but still a popular man of the people for this reason. His disposition with the corrupt, self-serving senators legitimized his right to rule for the plebeians that were ignored by the senate for so long.

[–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Worth remembering that most of what we know of Caesar comes directly from Caesar. He is the man that destroyed and ended the republic for no real reason other than power.
Imo Pompeii is far more deserving of the praise that Caesar receives.

[–] Tortellinius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This statement is not true.

Cicero and Cato the Younger lived during Caesar's time. Cicero's speeches and texts are very well known and telling on Caesar.

[–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I said 'most' as Caesar created a shitload of propaganda about himself. Obviously, an adept student would look deeper than that, as you have.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Did all of his successors give the common people better representation? Because it seems to me he destroyed a Republic for a little temporary representation of the common people (if you buy that) in exchange for 500+ years of dictatorship.

[–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Sure didn't, but I'm sure he didn't really plan on getting murdered either. Maybe he had a plan to reinstall a democracy after his rule. Though I doubt it.

[–] bomibantai@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why are you dick riding a guy who died more than ten years ago

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Why can't you just admit that Rome is stronger than ever thanks to Caesar? You have Caesar Derangement Syndrome.

[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 0 points 1 day ago

The same the Democrats do in the US. Half measures for the people at home and warcrimes for the imperium abroad.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

salad is gross

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're thinking of Marc Antony

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ElReatonVaquer0@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the average exchange in The Sopranos lmao

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease?