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[–] R4D10_411310p47HY@freeradical.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

@schnurrito

California legitimately has some of the worst laws of any state. I really struggle to see what exactly is supposed to be progressive about it.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's supposed to be progressive in the sense that it (sort of) supports people better than is typical, but it's also a nanny state where the supports and protections they offer are more about taking your freedom away than actual support and genuine progress. And vice versa, the conservative libertarian ideologies that are available on the other side of the ballot, emphasize personal freedoms but they are actually more about the rich getting richer while using personal freedoms as window dressing to distract you from the fact that they are making everyone else so much poorer that you won't have the money to access those freedoms anyway.

Neither side is genuinely progressive. They just wear their freedom and generosity like superhero capes and then use them like a matador does to distract the charging bull of public opinion and make you blame the cape for it while they poke even more sharp things into your sides.

Meanwhile we are bleeding to death.

[–] R4D10_411310p47HY@freeradical.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@cecilkorik

They are both working towards the same goals, they just oppress us from different angles. Like Dems take your guns, then Republicans come take away abortions, now it's a lot harder to fight back since dems took tge guns... Thats just one example, every issue they pick up ends up with a similar back and forth where they amplify each others work.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Wholeheartedly agreed.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

now it's a lot harder to fight back since dems took tge guns...

And other nonsense only a US citizen could utter.

[–] ScientifficDoggo@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, as a USain myself, that if you had to deal with the sheer military capabilities of our POLICE forces (looking at you NYPD and LAPD) you'd wanna be armed too...

It sucks, but when badged thugs get to rock LAVs I'm at least stocking some green tip....

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's ironic though since this is indeed a self-reinforcing cycle as well. The easier it is to get guns for the public the more the police is being armed, and at the end of the day it's the state who'd win this arms race. The kind of "moral collapse" (not sure if the term is correct) necessary to overthrow an oppressive government can't be gained with bullets, those merely reinforce whatever state your society currently is in or moves towards. I totally understand that you feel e.g. enabled, stronger, more independent etc. when holding a firearm, especially backed by US gun culture. Unfortunately the main thing firearms and the idea of them being a solution to something creates is pointless violence, which the US suffers greatly from for… well, forever.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

And yet, governments fall to armed rebellion even yet today.