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Framework claims Dell is trying to derail Framework's marketing by sending influencers Dell XPS laptops
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Let me know when someone makes a better laptop than a refurbished 5 year old thinkpad that doesn't cost $2000.
FW13 pro is apparently pretty great in terms of hardware and build quality.
But I also agree that Thinkpads are the absolute tits. Those keyboards are absolute legends. And apparently the new generation of the T series was designed specifically to be super repairable by end-users - not as holistically modular as framework, but WAY better than pretty much any other somewhat-recently-manufactured laptop.
You can buy a semi recent one with all the fancy modern USBC dock support for like 100-200€ on ebay. 30€ for a new battery and its like brand new.
Buying a framework is more of a political/idological choice imo and its cool if you have the money to support a company like them but its just not necessary for most people that just need a work laptop.
You’re extremely lucky to be able to find a decent laptop for €100-€200
A laptop you only have to buy once is more of an economical choice than a political/ideological (???) one imo
No luck at all no. You can always get T series thinkpads from around 2020 for that price. These live forever and will always have third party replacement parts available.
It’s absurd that you think so
T490s 178€ https://www.ebay.de/itm/389888983494
If you want something smaller you can go with something like a 12.5" X280 for 139€ https://www.ebay.de/itm/157675751432
If you spend a few days actually looking for good deals and auctions you can get them for even cheaper.
These are very decent laptops and if you break anything its gonna cost very little time and money to repair them. They have multiple USBC 3.1 ports with displayport support. The keyboards on thinkpads have been known for decades for their quality too so there really isnt much to complain about unless you are trying to do anything crazy compute intensive like rendering video.
Oh no yeah, I don’t doubt you can find them. I was saying it’s absurd you don’t find yourself lucky. Also the idea that someone looking for a laptop has to be looking for the absolute bare minimum, technically usable laptop. In that narrow scope, Framework (and also every other manufacturer) doesn’t make sense
Lmao "bare minimum" this is literally the industry standard laptop series you will see in companies everywhere in the world. Ive probably seen 10 of these at work today. Your reference frame is wrong. 99% of people just want a reliable portable computer that runs a browser, office and coding software.
Repairable but not upgradeable.