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You do get that the vast majority of Europe is trying to lean away from their respective imperialist pasts, right?
Not just trying, it's built into our laws, at least for the countries that are in EU.
Some of the biggest companies in Germany are still owned by nazis and nobody cares
Well compared to many of the American billionaires, those Nazis look like saints.
Um they are just not loud. Lol. They are still nazis. And nazism is alive and well in germany.
Are they undermining healthcare for all? Are they destroying democracy? Are they leading massive campaigns that claim climate change is a hoax? And suppressing scientists that work with it, and the organizations they work in?
I have never seen anything in Europe that is nearly as bad as for instance the Koch brothers. And the Koch brothers are far from alone. I think we got that established with the Epstein case, that has shown that the rich in USA cooperate towards a common goal, to take ever more power.
Kühne literally makes billions from Germany but has his tax residence in Switzerland because he doesn't think the German government should get his money. Probably still salty about when they stopped his dad, an outspoken nazi party member, from looting Jewish peoples' property. Which is what made them billionaires in the first place. He of course says nothing happened and they didn't get rich off genocide while simultaneously refusing to open the company's wartime archives. Honestly think he'd deny Hitler existed if he could get away with it.
So maybe they're not trying to undermine healthcare for all, but they're evading the taxes that pay for said healthcare while literally trying to downplay the genocide that made their families rich.
I have no doubt they are no good, and undermine the societies they make their money on, but there are degrees of evil and there are degrees of insanity.
And by comparison American billionaires are the worst, and decidedly undermine democracy heavily using their money for greater influence, probably mostly because they are allowed, not because Europeans are better people. But the system in USA celebrating money and sociopathy make Americans worse.
Yes! Wtf. How do you think these far right parties are getting popular again?
I think AfD is a symptom from the old East Germany, and I think they are supported maybe even created by Russian intelligence, AfD has shown strong support for Russia, and even gathered intelligence for Russia, and worked as Russian agents. AfD is also very anti immigrant. Which is not an interest of billionaires, that generally prefer access to lots of cheap labor.
I really don't see how the German far right is explained by German billionaires supporting them.
So yes WTF indeed are you on about?
Ehhh. The far right is doing pretty well in Europe, and they're sorry for nothing. Across the class spectrum as opposed to just in the poor, rural and uneducated, too.
You're not OP, so there's the sticky wicket of what we're comparing to, as well. The US's actual history is as a colony that broke away, and it often took anti-imperialist stances as a result. They did some of their own as well, but never on the scale of, say, Britain or Portugal. This is Lemmy where if the US breathes it's redefined as imperialism, though.
What a complete bullshit statement.
Yes having 5-10% of the European vote is doing well, because it used to be less, but compared to USA where Trump got the majority vote!! And Trump is more extreme than even the AfD.
In USA the extreme right is actually in power, extreme as in literally fascist destroying democracy and talking about genocide far right. Europe is nowhere near where USA and Russia are. But of course we are paying attention.
Looking randomly at France, it's closer to 50% right now, and other parties have been adopting far-right stances across the continent to compete. But yes, the US is much worse. Although that broad cross-class appeal worries me. With any luck it ends in Japanese-style democracy not Hungarian-style autocracy.
Anyway, OP came in only mentioning the US, and said imperialism, not fascism or autocracy or the far-right. Those are not the same thing.
Even in France there's a huge difference between the extreme right there and in USA. Le Penn is of course a traitor that support Russia, but she is not for instance advocating against healthcare for all. She is also not trying to undermine ordinary workers. But she hates foreigners and think Russia should be allowed to take Ukraine. But she is also not a war monger like Trump, and as far as we know she is not a pedophile.
Yes she is bad, and I have no idea why she is popular in France? But she is not nearly as dangerous to our democracy even just in France, as Trump is in USA. Also they do not have 40-50% support, she only got 23% of the vote, only because France has the stupid system that ends op pitting 2 candidates did she get 41% of the vote, when there was only one other candidate to compete against.
So you are wildly exaggerating the popularity of the far right in France and in Europe. Only the undemocratic presidential system in France makes her and "Rassemblement National" a danger of getting actual power.
Oh, you're French yourself. Didn't mean to make this personal, for what it's worth.
Ditto for the US. Each party gets 50% every election, with the margin swinging predictably based on, like, who's incumbent and how the economy is. And electoral districts are basically designed to have a set outcome at this point. Trump came to power because he's popular with the radicals that vote in Republican primaries.
FWIW their system is so much worse than the French one, even if the French one is worse than, like, Norway.
No I'm not French, I'm from Denmark.
Yes, except in USA it's worse, because the president of USA has even more extensive powers, and congress isn't entirely democratic either.