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I have already excluded animal exploitation by not eating meat. Why would i reintroduce animal exploitation by consuming such a product?

It's really not that extreme. And in my comment, the part you didn't quote, i acknowledged some vegans may think the trade off is worth it, but i do not.

But thanks for the disingenuous mushroom nonsense. I love it when meat eaters come into a vegan space to insult me

I will once again and ask you the question you asked:

Wouldn't you agree that endeavoring to do less harm [...] is better than nothing?

Your comment is arguing against itself by suggesting insects are not worth the same level of endeavorment to no harm as other animals.

This goes back to the definition of veganism i shared, where it's a way of life to exclude animal exploitation, cruelty, and death, as much as possible. I can't prevent killing every insect, but i can go out of my way to not kill them. I can let my yard grow wild, i can plant plants that create a vibrant ecosystem for various insects. I can let a jumping spider live on my desk and visit me during lunch because it's not bothering me. This is not an exhaustive list.

Ive already excluded animal meat from my diet, why would i introduce animal exploitation so i can eat lab grown animal meat?

You seem to be thinking on a global scale when you poise your question. I'm not. I'm thinking about me as an individual and my own way of life.

So why do you, specifically, need to consume meat so badly that this need must have at least some level of animal exploitation if not cruelty and death as well? And if you don't already, are you willing to eat only lab grown meat going forward? If not, why not?

These can be rhetorical questions, mostly because i don't come to vegan communities to debate or convert non-vegans so I'm unlikely to respond again. But if you're being genuine in reducing harm then giving some thought to those questions i think will help you better live your beliefs.

In that regard farming is a bit similar to road traffic. Some animals, even humans, will inevitably die in road traffic, and our civilization is dependent on it so there's no way around it really. But that doesn't mean it's fine to just run them over on purpose.

Farming is flawed and will always negatively affect nature and animals. But putting animals on cramped factory farms is worse, for both the animals and the environment. It also requires even more farming since farm animals eat tons of feed before they're slaughtered and all that has to be grown too.

Wouldn't you agree that endeavoring to do less harm (eating cloned meat, eating vegan once or twice a week, eating less meat) is better than nothing?

Yes, absolutely. I'm excited for cloned meat because it will make it easier for people to drop the factory farmed stuff.

I'll probably stick to the pea/soy protein based meat alternatives as they are similar enough by now for many categories, but for those who want "real" meat without the suffering, it will be great. I just hope they can make it cheap enough to have a large impact.

Shamefully i referred to myself as basically fitting the label "meatlover" before going vegan. I feel like if i did it, everyone can. Sure cheese replacement does not taste as cow cheese and deaths still occour but those deaths aren't the product and if I wanted more such deaths I'd just eat tons of meat as they need to be fed and grow using a substansial amount of food.

The less animal products the better but you are able to make a choice not to voluntarily exploit them.