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[–] fiatcode@lemmy.ml 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He could just use water from a well nearby, right?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I don't get this.

In John, there's a wedding and the planners forgot to bring the booze, so Jesus tells some dudes to fill a bunch of casks with water, and then poof kablamo, they are made into wine via the power of Jesus being irritated.

There's certainly a lot of imagery and focus on the blood of Jesus in the Bible... but the whole transsubstantiation/consubstantiation thing is about ... the reverse of this, wine either transforming into, or metaphorically representing the blood of Christ.

I am... not aware of any part of the Bible nor sect/branch/denomination/church that teaches that Jesus at any point turns his blood into wine.

I don't think that even happens in any of the 'expanded universe' / Gnostic texts.

In summary:

Wine -> Blood? Yes*.

Water -> Wine? Yes.

Blood -> Wine? No.

[–] ZombieChicken@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago

During the blessing at Mass, the priest says "...this is my blood...", quoting Christ at the Last Supper. when blessing the wine. You are overthinking it. I think the joke is that Jesus's blood is wine.

[–] YesIAmHoomanNoCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Some Christians (at least roman-catholic) celebrate communion, consuming 'bread' and wine that has been blessed. According to them the bread and wine literally become body and blood of Christ. That's the joke of the comic :)

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yes but that's backwards of what the comic is representing.

As I said... I don't think any kind of Christian believes that Jesus' blood ever turns into wine.

That doesn't happen anywhere in the text.

So... the joke is... based off of a thing that doesn't happen?

It would be like making a joke based off the idea that Moses can summon floods.

He can't. He's never shown to be able to do that, he's shown to be a water bender who can move water out of the way, but not generate it.

[–] Vandalismo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That doesn't happen anywhere in the text.

When Jesus categorically says "This is my blood" though

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

doesn't happen anywhere in the text.

Religion is more than just the book. Catholics literally believe that the wine at mass is literally Jesus' blood. This is a joke about them. Not about the book that their specific flavor of whatever is based on.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The literally believe the blessing of the Eucharist turns the wine into the blood of their nailed god.

Not that the blood of Christ turns into wine.

Hope this helps.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And then that wine is like 25 proof. ergo, his blood is 25 proof.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No catholic is taught this line of thinking.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the logical conclusion. If Jesus' blood has alcohol in it, then it's alcoholic.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No where does anyone ever say Jesus'a blood has alcohol in it, except this comic which doesn't follow any religion. This is a misconstrued line of thinking that only you and OP seem to be stuck on.

Many catholic churches will use whatever liquid is available, it does not, and never had to be wine.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you're saying. No matter what liquid the church uses, transubstantiation turns it into jesus's blood. Right?

When I have had jesus's blood, it had alcohol in it.

So anytime the church does transubstantiation, regardless of liquid it started with, it ends up alcoholic.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

A sample size of 1 is no study at all for your hypothesis.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Look, I'm not Catholic or any kind of Christian, but...

Catholics do not believe that Jesus' blood turns into wine.

So... acting like they do... is just trolling, basically.

Its not a joke, because it doesn't stem from a thing that someone actually believes.

It is simply asserting that someone believes a thing they do not... which is trolling.

There are a vast plethora of ludicrous things that varying kinds of Christians believe are literally true, that you could make an actual joke out of.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That is the opposite of this though, like all the other comments are trying to explain.

Eucharist = wine and bread turning into Christ's blood and flesh

Comic = Christ's blood turning into wine

How are so many people getting that backwards? Are you all trolling?

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

You’ll get no disagreement from me

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The wine turns into Jesus's blood when the priest blesses it.

This comic is the complete opposite of that.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I can't believe I'm arguing this..

In the comic, Jesus isn't turning his blood into wine. He's simply tapping the vein.

Jesus' blood is naturally alcoholic. We know this because the transubstantiation turns the wine at mass into Jesus' blood, and THAT blood is alcoholic. The fact that the wine was originally alcoholic is completely unrelated. The priests could transubstantiate water into Jesus' blood, and it'd still be alcoholic.

That's assuming you actually believe in transubstantiation.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are people who celebrate Eucharist with grape juice and it doesn't turn alcoholic. It's not that transubstantiation makes it alcoholic.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you're saying that Jesus blood is different based on who is doing it??

Sounds like someone is doing it wrong

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's the blessing that matters, not the contents of the cup. In transubstantiation the outward characteristics don't change.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Then how do you know it worked?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is your faith so weak that you need proof, Thomas?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah. The ol' "don't ask because we have no answers" answer.

So I believe that transubstantiation only works in the middle east, and we just haven't realized.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't care what and if you believe but the alcohol in the wine is certainly no proof of transubstantiation. Who would even claim it?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It's not complicated. I'm probably just explaining it poorly.

Some liquid turns into Jesus' blood during mass. After that happens, the liquid contains alcohol. Therefore, Jesus' blood contains alcohol.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 2 points 2 days ago

You don't. It's religion.