An Angus Reid survey says three-quarters of more than 4,000 respondents are in favour of a ban like the one in Australia, where youth under 16 are prevented from setting up accounts on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat and Threads.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Between public wifi's and companies harvesting the data of children; this goes way beyond you or anyone's ability to parent.

The notion that this is a failure of parents is just another lie social media convinced you so they could keep preying upon your children.

edit: USA is a shithole so I'm guessing many of you you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc (FFS you don't even have free etransfers). But the idea that this would require adults to upload their ID if they didn't want to is false.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't trust you kid with public WiFi? Don't give them a device that can use public WiFI. Lock it down or lock it up.

Don't want to put in the effort to supply your kids with a safe device that gives them a filtered experience, well that just sounds like you don't want to be a parent.

Parental apathy is paving the way to a locked down internet.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

While I agree mostly, you’re acting like getting their hands on an uncontrolled device is hard. Even a decade ago, an old smart phone could be had for a song. Hell, people throw away phones with cracked screens all the time. Then just hop on a neighbors WiFi and bobs your uncle.

Do I think that means all people should have to verify their age? Absolutely not. But this isn’t necessarily something that can be solved with “just be a parent.”

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't see how uploading a picture with my personal information to every website I visit would be a solution to this through. Now what about enthusiasts that want to host a website for a blog (like myself) do I need to start to collect your personal information when you choose to visit my website? What will I be able to do with said information?

Instead a simple solution would be something similar to what libraries and librarians do.

Websites should be classified based on age brackets, genres, and any other useful identifying information similar to how books are classified in libraries.

I would propose that a local government funded initiative be setup that to allows the same equivalent of a librarian to curate the internet into defined whitelists based on these criteria.

From there parent then can choose or not choose to activate these specific whitelists either at the home network level or device level.

All this tech already exists, and for tech-savvy users, this functions basically the same way as a pihole or AdGuard, these can also be completely setup both in your home network and still function while out.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You're conflating UK age verification laws for accessing porn with Social Media bans in Australia.

There's a difference between prohibiting social media companies from providing services to 13 year olds and legally requiring companies to verify ID.

edit: USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So how would any proposed laws be enforceable without some sort of ID verification (ie. Age verification) in place?

Or are we talking a simple "confirm you're not a robot button", but for age? Similar to what porn sites have asking if you're over 18.

Or would you prefer everyone including yourself need to upload something like a drivers license to access websites... Like Lemmy for example?

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

As I said, you can look up the legislation in Australia where uploading ID is one of several verification methods.

Enforcement doesn't need to be entirely at the point of access. By making it illegal companies are obligated to cancel the account upon discovery they have done so.

LIke you're still conflating 2 very different things based on how your framing your question. It's a strawman tbh. Like you could easily go answer this question for yourself if you cared beyond winning a reddit argument.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, there is a difference, but one leads to the other. How do you think the bans will be enforced?

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

USA is a shithole so I'm guessing you don't have 3rd party verification through banks etc.

You can look up the legislation in Australia where uploading ID is one of several verification methods.

Enforcement doesn't need to be entirely at the point of access. By making it illegal companies are obligated to cancel the account upon discovery they have done so.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I live in Canada, so not sure what the USA has to do with my verification capabilities. (This article is also Canadian, so not sure what the US has to do with anything)

But there still needs to be some mechanism for said discovery. If that mechanism is me being subjected to an AI "facial estimate" or uploading my ID, those are big NO's for me.

If there is a privatized mechanism used simply for "yes this person is an adult" then fine. But as of right now there is no such privatized mechanism in Canada.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If there is a privatized mechanism used simply for "yes this person is an adult" then fine. But as of right now there is no such privatized mechanism in Canada.

There is. It's 3rd party verification via major banks or your provincial services account. They don't give your ID out, it's a vouching system.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Which province are you in? I've never heard of such a thing in my province?

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sign into a government website like CRA

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That is Identity Verification. CRA confirms a lot more with your bank than just your age.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

You're daft. I'm done.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm daft for knowing that CRA and your bank verify identity by both having your social insurance number and CRA uses the bank to authenticate you because they have trouble with ensuring their own authentication is secure? As evidenced by the account issues they had a few years ago?

Sure. Then call me daft.

Like I said before, if someone can come up with a privatized way to vouch for my age (and only my age) without needing to scan and store my ID, verify my SIN, or AI "assess" my face, then great. As of right now, it doesn't exist and I don't trust any age restrictions on web access to not lead to such crap as "just upload a photo of your driver's license, we pinky promise to delete it...eventually..."

The solution CRA and the banks use only works because they both store your SIN and that is their identifier. CRA just trusts that the bank is better at authentication than they are. It's DEFINITELY not a privatized login system.