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I don't want Iran to have a nuke. However, imperial aggression from the United States has made it a necessity for them to build one.
idk, nukes are the only way to guarantee national sovereignty. I don't think we should necessarily encourage nuclear armament, but without nukes developing countries can't ever graduate to a status where they aren't subject to the whims of existing nuclear powers. I think once you can safely manage a nuclear energy program with international oversight (like Iran has done), you're demonstrating that you have what it takes to maintain a nuclear arsenal.
The recent US aggression is just more proof that nukes are necessary to maintain peace.
Exactly yeah, but I don't want it to be this way
Idealism is an interesting way of seeing the world.
Is it idealism to say you don't like it when bad things happen?
I wish Iran would have gotten the memo a long time ago and made a nuke. All this destruction could have been avoided.
MAD exists because americans are genocidal. That's a thing you can't make peace with, but a nuke will keep it out of your house. Even if you can fight them, you can't exactly trust them not to nuke you without MAD either because they've done it twice before.
That's peace, isn't that a good thing?
Unless the bad thing is "a nuke existing".
well, in a more idealist sense, do we even want "national sovereignty" if we strive for worldwide class emancipation?
to be baby brained, sometimes shit sucks - but it's material reality and has to be considered and dealt with. doesn't stop it from sucking though, even if the cat's out of the bag
Idealism isn't wanting things to be better tho, or even recognizing that they are bad. Its like you said in the first paragraph, you're trying to presuppose the correct way to do social revolution.
Nukes are dangerous things, but this thread is kinda treating them like they're demons.
So you do want them to have a nuke, it's just that in some completely counterfactual world without problems you wouldn't want them to have one.
Yes that's what I'm saying. There are many compromises I need to make with ym own ideals to contend with the real world, this is far from the only one. It sucks that we have lost so bad the past 35 years that the current best case scenario involves a theocracy building a weapon of mass destruction.