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Someone who disagrees with our current actions in the middle east but is (to an unknown degree) buying into the idea that Israel is controlling the USA.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

it seems to me that capital rules both, and the USA is more important to capital

but I guess I don't think putting it that way would be the best way to reach a liberal

[–] DogThatWentGorp@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Capital and also, PURELY IMO, I've gotten an increasing sense over the last few years that there's a lot of overlap between the two governments just in terms of people and personal ties.

Like it almost feels more correct to start from the assumption the US/isreal are, functionally, the same organization and and then to delineate differences from there. Not really a who-controls-who thing because that starts from the position there's a lot of separation.

I don't think that'd really reach a liberal either because their mindset of national identity might as well be as tangible as the earth and sun to a lot of them but that's just the thought I had thinking about the thread/topic.

Also hard to parse because you get into conspiracy territory. Just because two powerful people know each other doesn't mean there's a power dynamic, they could be buddies, they could just like helping each other. Networking and converging interests can make two people with huge mansions pull some moves together.

None of this is at you specifically btw. Your comment just got my hamsters running. Reminded me there's a certain kind of casual banality to all of this stuff because of how power, capital and money scales etc.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

the US/isreal are, functionally, the same organization

The Zionist Entity, if you will