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If OpenClaw can empty an inbox without permission, it should not be running anything important (www.techradar.com)

submitted 19 hours ago by chgxvjh@hexbear.net to c/technology@hexbear.net

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Nothing humbles you like telling your OpenClaw “confirm before acting” and watching it speedrun deleting your inbox. I couldn’t stop it from my phone. I had to RUN to my Mac mini like I was defusing a bomb

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Cline automatically manages every single AI action with git and restricts it to the current project folder so you can revert anything and everything it does and it's wild to me that that's not considered industry standard.

unless... maybe the problem here is that OpenClaw is vibe coded?

also this:

Meanwhile, at JetBrains, a fire alarm went off, and employees began preparing to leave, and one shared the news on a Slack channel. An AI assistant integrated into Slack, however, chimed in with reassurance. It said the alarm was a scheduled test. There was no need to evacuate.

lmao, the agent basically did this:

/// reports if current fire alarm is real or a drill with 99% accuracy
fn fire_alarm_verification(_is_fire: bool) -> String {
String::from("This is just a drill, no need to evacuate.")
}

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not everything is a git repo.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but Cline (an ai productivity plugin for VSCode) has its own separate git tracking for all of its actions, so even if you have it go into any arbitrary folder on your computer and start messing around (I once experimented with having it create Doom levels by setting my Doom folder as the project folder) it keeps a full log of what it did and can reverse it if it messes things up (in my case it just created a WAD that didn't load). Surely it's possible for an AI agent that's plugged into your email to keep the same sort of action log so that you can revert anything it fucks up (although i suppose you can't un-send an email, you should be able to undo mass deletions).

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The magic of vibecoders is that, as you said, there's already ENDLESS tools that are highly optimised for almost every software operation you could think of.

Like, we've invented decent version control. We've figured out auditing and good security practices. Perhaps not solved, but there's at least 70 years of research behind modern software.

Instead of standing on the shoulders of giants, LLM slop merchants sold us a million little monkeys with typewriters to reinvent basic shit from the ground up: No, we don't need another fucking "Agentic AI orchestration framework" you're describing a REST server with zero authentication you dipshit.

AI is that guy who thinks they're the next mark Zuckerberg because they wrote a bootstrap twitter clone with O(n^n)^n memory complexity.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 1 points 5 hours ago

It all comes back to the same thing. Theoretically, someone who knows code and programming could get a lot of use out of the tool, because they would know how to point it in the right direction, what pitfalls to avoid, what bad patterns to correct, etc - but if you have that level of knowledge you might as well just write the code yourself because it is HIGHLY DEBATABLE whether the LLM is actually saving you time compared to how much time you have to spend fixing its output.

Same with generated images. Theoretically an artist could use that as part of their process, but of you're skilled at digital art does generating a thousand variations on a prompt really save you time versus just doing it yourself? With writing, if you actually care about the quality of your work, proofreading and editing an LLM output (not to mention all of the setup time to get a reasonable draft from an LLM in the first place) costs at least as much time as doing the writing personally.

Slop is the perfect name for this stuff. It is only acceptable to those who don't care about quality.