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Great response, people just love to parrot easy dismissals without looking and the sheer magnitude on innovation and commercialisation going on in this sector
It doesn't really dispute it, though. Lithium-ion has seen a lot of improvement, yes, because it's already a giant industry; other battery chemistries have a hard time breaking through because they require entirely different processes to manufacture.
I'm still rooting for it, but it's not really the same thing.
This too is false, great progress has been made on for instance solid state batteries.
You can't buy anything with solid state batteries yet, and when you can, they will cost a fortune.
Uhh you know you can buy an external mag safe battery bank with a solid state battery for like 45 bucks on amazon as well as the big generator ones as well?
I agree that cost isn't amazing. You are essentially getting about half the capacity per dollar spent to a standard battery device but also these are in fact more stable for temp swings and damage. Soo... consumer available and not a fortune just need to have justification for it.
Some progress is being made, but it hasn't seen large-scale adoption yet. Which is the point, as I read it.
The "progress" is typical industry bullshit. See the absolute bullshit around the Donut SS battery.
Remember when Musk invented a battery with 30% better capacity? It was a 30% bigger battery.
SS batteries require manufacturing facilities with clean rooms on the order of chip fabs. You may see these in 2027, but only in expensive cars.
It takes time to scale up production, CATL is already building factories for it:
https://www.catl.com/en/news/6401.html
These press releases are weekly. Naxtra will be 30% cheaper, but also bigger and heavier. The problem here is the damn periodic table, someone should change it.
It takes time to scale production and even more time to adopt a new technology.
Well all those graphs show is that the cost of batteries has gone down and that as a result electric cars contain more batteries and therefore more range. It doesn't actually show that the individual battery capacity has increased.
The third graph that indicates battery performance vs battery chemistry doesn't really show incremental improvement it just shows general improvement but there's plenty of battery chemistries that are worse than pre-existing ones.
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Did you mean to tag me?
You are a literal scientist or something that always answers these questions. We need you!
Start of my villain arc right here. Like unidan, but with more buttholes.
(fat fingered the button one moment:)
This thread is a bit of a mess and I would caution taking anything being said (except by me, the absolute authority) without a large grain of salt - however mostly people aren't contradicting each other, it's just a hugely complex topic that quickly devolves into semantic-adjacent arguments about how we should be comparing battery chemistries (on market / in lab / cross-chemistry) and what degree we should be considering the "soft factors"; things like the number of recharge cycles, robustness of the cells to damage, cost of manufacturing and/or recycling the cells, etc.
Sodium batteries are a big deal, and as far as I've seen we're finally at the point where they're starting to become market viable, but they're still a largely unproven technology. Arguing that battery tech hasn't improved in the last decade is obviously wrong, but it's also not wrong to say that there hasn't been any dramatic improvement in the technology in the last decade. None of the many "miracle battery tech" that promises to have double-or-better the capacity of lithium chemistries has panned out, we've just been making slow gains across many chemistries and those cumulative 10% improvements to battery life year-over-year are finally starting to add up to where the average consumer can really notice them.
Uh yeah, not a good idea now that I think about it, apologies.
But since you are already here, the guy above me says batteries have not improved much, and I'm too dumb to argue.
I won't let it go to my head. I promise. Probably.
Anyways tho for an actual opinion:
This thread is a bit of a mess and I would caution taking anything being said (except by me, the absolute authority) without a large grain of salt - however mostly people aren't contradicting each other, it's just a hugely complex topic that quickly devolves into semantic-adjacent arguments about how we should be comparing battery chemistries (on market / in lab / cross-chemistry) and what degree we should be considering the "soft factors"; things like the number of recharge cycles, robustness of the cells to damage, cost of manufacturing and/or recycling the cells, etc.
Sodium batteries are a big deal, and as far as I've seen we're finally at the point where they're starting to become market viable, but they're still a largely unproven technology. Arguing that battery tech hasn't improved in the last decade is obviously wrong, but it's also not wrong to say that there hasn't been any dramatic improvement in the technology in the last decade. None of the many "miracle battery tech" announcements that promise to have double-or-better the capacity of lithium chemistries has panned out, we've just been making slow gains across many chemistries and those cumulative 10% improvements to battery life year-over-year are finally starting to add up to where the average consumer can really notice them.
Just to clarify, because I feel that I'm being impuned in some way, my only comment was that while there has been significant development in batteries in the lab up until now this is the first commercially available battery includement since we got off lithium polymer.
The original comment I was responding to was trying to suggest that battery technology over the last decade has significantly improved but realistically all we've done is being come clever with the technology we already have, and that this is the first time battery technology at a commercial level has improved. After all, a lot of ICE cars are still using lead acid batteries, and the remote control for my TV uses batteries that my grandparents would have recognised.
I remember while back when lithium oxygen batteries were the new hotness and that never went anywhere.
Oh man, I am so glad we finally have one of those. I was worried I was stuck in this confusing thread about semantics with just my own broken brain.
Oh absolute authority... When we will give rocks boobs?
Thank you hero!
Shhhh.....we're having a bullshit feel good moment...