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Most CHUDs didn't go to underfunded intercity schools with moldy textbooks. They went to well funded suburban middle class schools which, yeah are still US public schools, but still provide better educational opportunities than what most people in the world have.

CHUD aren't fascists because their social studies teacher was underpaid, they're fascists because fascism speaks to them and their values. They are fascists at the end of the day because they like being fascists.

And further more, unless you embrace full hard determinism, you have to view these people as culpable to some extend for the awful politics they support. Yeah, none are immune to propaganda, we are shaped by are culture yadda yadda. But I have to think humans have some capacity of will to rise above their social conditioning, if they're willing didn't society would never evolve or change for the better.

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[โ€“] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There's two kinds of fascists.

There are the people who become fascist because capitalism and imperialism and colonialism are in their material interests. These people need to defend the empire from decay, and they range from educated to very educated. They know exactly what they support because it benefits them, materially. They're petite bourgeois, they're settlers, etc. I think we can assign some determinism here, their beliefs are just a product of their social class and material conditions. Education can only help so much here.

Then there are the people who become fascists because they have false consciousness, and these people range from poorly educated to miseducated. They have no idea what they support, they don't understand their own material interests, and they simply fell into these beliefs because of social conditioning from the first group of fascists. In some cases, the material conditions themselves will force them to rise above their social conditioning because they'll educate themselves, but usually someone else needs to step in and educate them. They really do benefit from education, though, because they just need to be informed.

I don't know if culpability is ever actually useful to discuss in either of those cases. It doesn't really change what we have to do.

The first group are the strategists and puppet masters. The second group is cannon fodder.

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