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I think blaming CHUD fascism on poor education is just cope (hexbear.net)

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Most CHUDs didn't go to underfunded intercity schools with moldy textbooks. They went to well funded suburban middle class schools which, yeah are still US public schools, but still provide better educational opportunities than what most people in the world have.

CHUD aren't fascists because their social studies teacher was underpaid, they're fascists because fascism speaks to them and their values. They are fascists at the end of the day because they like being fascists.

And further more, unless you embrace full hard determinism, you have to view these people as culpable to some extend for the awful politics they support. Yeah, none are immune to propaganda, we are shaped by are culture yadda yadda. But I have to think humans have some capacity of will to rise above their social conditioning, if they're willing didn't society would never evolve or change for the better.

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[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I agree about the first group. Education in the west isn't about informing us about how the world actually works. Its a propaganda system to inculcate the belief that whatever you see in our society is "natural" and can't be any other way. Yeah, some know exactly what they're doing, but considering college kids can't read, I can't agree that the highly educated actually "know" what they're doing-they're repeating what they've been told, they're regurgitating their indoctrination. Some know exactly whats up, but I don't see how a population of illiterates became fascists because they actually understand material interests beyond "gimme gimme I want everything and I want it now". They're selfish because their ideology rewards it. There might be some unconscious things at play, they know they benefit from imperialism, but probably can't articulate it.

I do agree that their beliefs are simply the byproducts of the ideological system they're immersed in. And that is a determanistic thing. People are not as "free thinking" as we'd like to believe. Theres some saying out there that only something like 10% of people will ever break from their cultural conditioning and go their own way in life. Strangley correlates with the ~10% true literacy rate... Most people just seem to go along with whatevers around them. Not sure what to make with that observation though...

Idk, I'm just rambling at this point.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

They still understand having access to cheap primary production from superexploitation, they understand having cheap energy and material inputs into the imperial core, they understand free and unlimited access to all markets and polities, they understand constraining the movement of labor while ensuring the free movement of capital, they understand the importance of labor discipline and the danger that unions represent, they understand the threat that sovereignty poses to the imperial project, ect ect.

Even if they can't articulate these material forces in words their education gives them the correct sense of their place in the world. This cohort can correctly identify that they benefit from the empire, even if they wouldn't describe it in those terms.

Call that indoctrination if you like, but what this means is that further education can not fix them. Making them more educated will only make them more loyal to the empire because they'd have an ever better understanding of their own place within it.