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Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix powered apps as a discord alternative? (lemmy.fedioasis.cc)

submitted 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) by Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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Do you prefer XMPP or Matrix, or are you using something else entirely?

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[–] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 14 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

From my digging on alternatives the main contenders are (in no particular order)

Stoat
- Essentially 1:1 on discords format
- UK based, so its future there is uncertain
- Infrastructure is lacking, was crippled by the initial influx after discord's announcement.
- Missing some minor UI and UX features, feels unpolished.
Spacebar
- Reverse engineered discord
- Greatest potential, IMO, but as of a few days ago all it has is potential.
- lacks significant client development, relying on an external client named Fermi, which feels quite amateurish.
XMPP
- Highly mature, looks very promising, but lacks any kind of guild/nested channel grouping support which makes it unsuitable for my group, so I didn't look too deep at it.
Matrix
- IMO the most likely discord successor.
- Minor functional hiccups, that vary from client to client
- Of the clients I tested, Cinny is the most discord like, but I hear commet is closer.
- Nested spaces provides the minimum format equivalence.
Fluxer
- Slightly sus vibes
- Lacks self hosting instructions
- Media is non-permanent, which is I guess fair to keep infra costs down, but its unsuitable for my groups media usage habits.
- Looks promising, but I've not actually tried it given the lack of self hosting instructions.

One thing that's wormed its way onto the to do list that haunts the back of my mind, is I'd like to see if I could abuse the matrix or XMPP protocols to get some of the nicer discord-like features lime invite links, server side channel ordering, and space membership over channel membership. But that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

EDIT: Forgot Fluxer. Added.

[–] who@feddit.org 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

One thing that’s wormed its way onto the to do list that haunts the back of my mind, is I’d like to see if I could abuse the matrix or XMPP protocols to get some of the nicer discord-like features lime invite links

I think I've seen invite links being proposed for Matrix, but I don't remember the status of that idea, and can't find a relevant MSC at the moment.

I wonder if this bot would be helpful for now:

https://github.com/dfuchss/matrix-joinlink

https://www2.matrix.org/blog/2024/05/24/this-week-in-matrix-2024-05-24/#matrixjoinlink

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

XMPP

Highly mature, looks very promising, but lacks any kind of guild/nested channel grouping support which makes it unsuitable for my group, so I didn’t look too deep at it.

No XMPP clients currently have that feature, but the Movim client is actively working on implementing it, and it should be ready in a few weeks. They recently launched a modest funding campaign to accelerate development.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fluxer

Slightly sus vibes

Can you elaborate on this part?

[–] bagelberger@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

a chat app that has more feature parity with Discord than any other project, yet:

was supposedly built over the course of five years but commit history was squashed a couple months ago so there's no way to verify
was built entirely by one 22yo who hasn't yet graduated university
has confirmed LLM usage
already has a monetization plan very similar to Discord and has raised 300k in one-time funding on hype alone

all this to say, it's still an incredibly impressive piece of software, but the sus vibes are warranted

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Which ones are federated?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 13 hours ago

Movim.eu seems to be. Rocketchat also claims to federate via matrix

[–] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I belive just Matrix and XMPP.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Do they have voice chat integration? It's not a big deal for me, but for a lot apparently it is.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

XMPP does, but how advanced depends on the client used. Only the Movim and Dino clients support group voice/video calls at the moment, and Movim is the only client that supports Screensharing (requires a Chromium based browser to screenshare w/audio).

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago

Yes XMPP supports voice. Had for well over a decade, maybe two.

[–] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago

I'm not too sure, I didn't look terribly deeply on that front since that's not something my group uses often, and its difficult to test on my own. That said, I believe Matrix does have some level of voice chat support, though AFAIK its more similar to Skype's calls than Discord's drop-in/drop-out voice channels. No idea about XMPP though.