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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by HogWild@hexbear.net to c/main@hexbear.net
 

Tl,dr: Today, someone made a post about the game Wolfenstein with the title "Nazis should be shot". People got up in arms, post got deleted, now the centrists agree that the left extremists went too far.

The post in question, translated by me:

Title: Since when has it become normal to openly call for violence?

It's honestly disturbing, how normalised it has become on reddit to ask for humas to be shot in the head. Regardless of where you stand: since when has this become an acceptabke statement?

What really maes me angry is not just the call for violence, but the intellectual hypocrisy behind it.

On one hand, people preach morals, humanism, "never again", peace and historical responsibility. On the other, the dehumanize humans and discuss their killing as a legitimate option. That's not a moral viewpoint, that's factually paradox!

Instead of engaging with the actual point, that calls for violence are always generally problematic, they just evade it. They use historical comparisons with completely different context, extreme scenarios or rethorical tricks. "Violence is not the solution" becomes "You want to stop extremists with nice words". That's not an argument, that is an intentional misrepresentation.

Even more absurd, when past catastrophes are used as justification to use violence today: "We should have been far more strict with them, far earlier" is used as a moral carte blanche to normalize similar thinking patterns today. History doesn't teach that fantasies of violence are legitimate, butn that they lead to Dehumanization.

And that's the problem: He who denies others the right to exist, adapts exactly the thinking pattern he allegedly fights against.

What also annoys me is the aggressive evasion of the topic. They don't argue, but label. They don't discuss, but accuse. They don't differentiate, but load it up morally.

Downvotes do not replace arguments. Historical analogies don't replace logic. And emotion does not replace reason.

I understand that political topics are emotional. But emotion doesn't justify intellectual impurity.

I don't care about party politics. It's about the principle: if we normalize violence as a legitimate answer - even rethorically, then we move the goalposts in a direction we were trying to avoid.

If the simple sentence "Wishing death upon humans is wrong" has become naive, well, then maybe we shouldn't talk about naivete, but how low our discussion culture has fallen.

I'm not angry about an opinion. I'm angry at the illiogical, the ignorance of their own inconsistency and this self-righteous escalatory thinking.

Violence is violence, even if you believe to be on the morally right side.


As you guessed it, the vast majority of replies agrees.

Unfortunately, I can't answer that post personally, as I have been banned from reddit for saying "trans women are women".

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[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Christopher Caudwell's book Studies In A Dying Culture and the chapter on Pacifism is really good and discusses this.

There is not much left of importance in bourgeois ethics. Chastity, sobriety, salvation and cleanliness have ceased to be topics on which the bourgeois feels very deeply. There is, in fact, only one issue on which the bourgeois conscience is to-day warmed into activity. Pacifism, always latent in the bourgeois creed, has now crystallised out as almost the only emotionally-charged belief left in Protestant Christianity or in its analogue, bourgeois ‘idealism’.

I call it a distinctively bourgeois doctrine, because I mean by pacifism, not the love of peace as a good to be secured by a definite form of action, but the belief that any form of social constraint of others or any violent action is in itself wrong, and that violence such as war must be passively resisted because to use violence to end violence would be logically self-contradictory. I oppose pacifism in this sense to the Communist belief that the only way to secure peace is by a revolutionary change in the social system, and that ruling classes resist revolution violently and must therefore be overthrown by force.

But modern war is also distinctively bourgeois. Struggles such as the last war arise from the unequal Imperialist development of the bourgeois powers, and earlier wars of bourgeois culture were also fought for aims characteristic of bourgeois economy or, like the wars of the infant Dutch republic, represented the struggles of the growing bourgeois class against feudal forces. In its last stage of Fascism, when capitalism, throwing off the democratic forms which no longer serve its purpose, rules with open violence, bourgeois culture is also seen as aggressively militant. Are we Marxists then simply using labels indiscriminately when we class as characteristically bourgeois, both militancy and pacifism, meekness and violence?

No, we are not doing so, if we can show that we call bourgeois not all war and not all pacifism but only certain types of violence, and only certain types of non-violence; and if, further, we can show how the one fundamental bourgeois position generates both these apparently opposed viewpoints. We did the same thing when we showed that two philosophies which are apparently completely opposed – mechanical materialism and idealism – were both characteristically bourgeois, and both generated by the one bourgeois assumption.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/caudwell/1935/pacifism-violence.htm

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

Radlibs got pegged and called out in 1938.

This ‘revolutionary’ liberal, this hater of coercion and violence, this lover of free competition, this friend of liberty and human rights, is therefore the very man damned by history not merely to be powerless to stop these things, but to be forced by his own efforts to produce coercion and violence and unfair competition and slavery. He does not merely refrain from opposing bourgeois violence, he generates it, by helping on the development of bourgeois economy.

To-day, as the bourgeois pacifist, he helps to generate the violence, war, and Fascist and Imperialist brutality he hates. In so far as he is a genuine pacifist and not merely a completely muddled man hesitating between the paths of revolution and non-co-operation, his thesis is this, ‘I hate violence and war and social oppression, and all these things are due to social relations. I must therefore abstain from social relations. Belligerent and revolutionary alike are hateful to me.’

But to abstain from social relations, is to abstain from life. As long as he draws or earns an income, he participates in bourgeois economy, and upholds the violence which sustains it. He is in sleeping partnership with the big bourgeoisie, and that is the essence of bourgeois economy. If two other countries are at war, he is powerless to intervene and stop them, for that means social co-operation – social co-operation issuing in coercion, like a man separating quarrelling friends and that action is by his definition barred to him. If the big bourgeoisie of his own country decide to go to war and mobilise the coercive forces, physical and moral, of the State, he can do nothing real, for the only real answer is co-operation with the proletariat to resist the coercive action of the big bourgeoisie and oust them from power. If Fascism develops, he cannot suppress it in the bud before it has built up an army to intimidate the proletariat, for he believes in ‘free speech’. He can only watch the workers being bludgeoned and beheaded by the forces he allowed to develop.

His position rests firmly on the bourgeois fallacy. He thinks that man as an individual has power. He does not see that even in the unlikely event of everyone’s taking his viewpoint and saying, ‘I will passively resist,’ his purpose will still not be achieved. For men cannot in fact cease to co-operate, because society’s work must be carried on – grain must be reaped, clothes spun, electricity generated or man will perish from the earth. Only his position as a member of a parasitic class could have given him any other illusion.