[a green flag with a leaf stands above an utopian green city with vegetation and clean energy]
Greenists believe that the world should be a better place for green people, and everyone else too
[an orange fascist-looking star in a gear logo stands above a bleak concrete city]
Orangites believe that the world should only have orange people, and that all greens should be hung
[an orange character speaks smugly, in a bedroom that contains an orangite logo and a greenist/orangite flag]
Me?
I'm a greenist-orangite,
why do you ask?
The third panel is a centrist. It is not someone who is so green that nothing is green enough for them.
I'm mocking the leftists who flooded Lemmy with their "don't vote for Kamala" message.
... Think you missed the words: "world" and "everybody else"
No I didn't. Extreme Greenists will be telling everyone in 3 years to not vote for Mamdani because of the police killing citizens that happened under his term.
Its not about police killing per se its more so the lack of accountability in police killings, since it's unavoidable shouldn't every police shooting have some kind of scrutiny. That's the issue.
That's because you aren't an extremist.
The extremists wouldn't vote for Obama because he killed some people while ignoring that he killed less than any other President in the last 50 years. In 3 years it will be "Mamdani the citizen murderer" while ignoring that ( I expect ) he'll have less deaths than any modern mayor.
Do you have an actual source for that? Considering the hundreds of thousands of people he had killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, I find it hard to believe his death toll was lower than Clinton's, or hell, even Bush Sr.
Iraq was effectively over when Obama started and Afghanistan slowed too by the end of Obamas second term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Body_Count_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan
Bush Sr: 100-200k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Neither of those sources break down casualties by term. The idea that Afghanistan "slowed" seems to be entirely vibes-based and detached from reality - he escalated in both drone strikes and deployments, with the "troop surge."
Yes, Bush Sr. killed 100-200k, which is still considerably less than the war in Afghanistan. If roughly half the deaths in Afghanistan were under Obama, then that would put him about on par with Bush Sr.
The graphs show that Afghanistan casualties were flat
https://www.statista.com/chart/20932/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-in-last-decade/?srsltid=AfmBOorw0E6-ZCL-OnLzljFLq8mSXw1D0XIQXn7QXZNhCI0sDTcuXFhm
It's of particular interest that there is no data until 2009. Bush had made everything about the war secret and didn't collect or release numbers. Do you really think the initial invasion which included all of NATO had less casualties?
The data shows ~6k per year which is 48k over 8 years.
Bro it's always a losing battle to talk with "leftists" who think they're doing a good thing by not voting. They find the most specific and inconsequential shit in the grand scheme of things and just harp on it. Your original comment is gold.
I think you're fighting against some super niche extremists then. And if they are so niche why are they living rent free in your head?
They aren't a niche on Lemmy. They were everywhere before the election.
Then you are either conflating their numbers by the noise they make, or you're not really interested in listening to peoples concerns and this is just team sports to you. Both make you a deeply unserious person not worth listening to. Peace dude!
You insult because you know you are wrong.
Exactly. You are the green/orange in the third panel, complaining about being told you're too orange to be green.
Ultra-greens: "That green looks a little yellow-green. That's too close to orange! I'm so inclusive and tolerant. Why can't everyone just coexist like me?"
Look, if you really can't cope with not having the moral high ground of being green, maybe instead of bitching about it you can ditch the orange and get with the program.
Ultra-green: continues to dig heels in and insists that yellow-green is indeed orange, and that only super-ultra greens like themself are truly green and thus have the moral high ground.
Keep bitching all you want, man, we both know what you are.
Orange: "Anyone who doesn't agree with me must be annihilated!"
Ultra-green: "Only orangites must be annihilated, but anyone who doesn't agree with me is as bad as orange and therefore must also be annihilated."
Regular greens, blue-greens, and yellow-greens: "Look, we all have our differences, but let's have a civilized discussion and see if we can address everyone's concerns and find a workable solution that meets all our needs. Except for those orangites and ultra-greens, because they can't be reasoned with and just want to kill everyone who isn't on their side."
Orangites: "You're all radical greenist terrorists!"
Ultra-greens "You're all orangite fascists! We know what you are."
Orangites and ultra-greens high-five, as they're being radicalized by the same troll farms.
Satan laughing spreads his wings
You can try and blur the lines all you want, you'll still be what you are. And it's nobody's fault but yours.
It's not blurring the lines to say "yellow-green isn't orange" and the fact that you're insisting that it does kinda shows you for what you are.
You don't even fucking know me but you think you get to decide what I am because I had the audacity to suggest there's more nuance than simply your way or the fascists?
Of course you're not blurring the lines! You're not inserting a bunch of extra shades and colours into the discussion to blur lines, you're doing it for some different, other reason! Which is also why you're this tilted by being told you are what you are. Because you're not that, you're something else!
It's not blurring the lines at all to say "yellow-green isn't orange." That's a simple fact. The line is crystal clear. And it's not "a bunch of extra shades and colors. It's a fucking color, and it's not orange. Look at a color wheel if this level of nuance is too lofty for you.
You're the one blurring the lines by saying "actually, yellow-green is orange," and "if you're not unquestioningly on my side then you must be on the opposite." Not everything is black and white. Fascists are bad, yes, but it's also entirely possible to not be a fascist and still disagree with you. The fact that you can't seem to accept that means you're just as bad as the fascists.
And I'm not the one being "tilted," whatever that means, you're the one "bitching" so that's twice you've made accusations in a mirror. More fascist techniques. Get fucked.
You seem to have not understood the comic
And you're clearly the second panel because of your complete inability to understand basic concepts
...The irony of this reply is fucking painful.