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Phoenix Police officer kills homeowner who disarmed home invasion suspect
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Police don't need consent if they have reason to believe a violent crime is happening, and even from an ACAB perspective it would be wild to make community-protectors wait at the door in this situation. Everything after that point is an abject failure.
Yeah, sure. But you can see how that could lead to very open-ended logic of "we're just gonna have to check now."
I live in Finland. I had a videomeeting with a nurse a few weeks ago. I got rather upset and have a loud voice. Anyway, about 20-30 min after the videomeeting, cops arrive at my door. I don't understand why. Apparently a neighbour had called and "heard yelling". To specify, by the time the police arrived, there had been no yelling for almost half an hour. Still. They demanded entry. I politely refused, asking what for. They said "we can't know that you haven't murdered someone in there."
If that's all the authorities need to enter your private apartment, then you see how no-one has privacy, actually, right?
I mean, if the burden of proof is put on me and they demand I prove a negative, then that's quite the impossible standard to reach.
So having a loud voice and living in an apartment building is enough in my country for your privacy to go bye bye.
Wouldn't have mattered as much, but I grew me own weed. One autoflower nothing large, just my own smokes. Mild strain, CBD heavy. But still illegal in Finland.
Last time this happened, it took like 2 months for me to get the warrant they supposedly used and it was dated 2 months after the search.
So you know, while I agree with the public safety angle, there has to be a very clear limit set on when and how the cops are allowed to do what. Granted the US does that a lot more than we do. As in, things may not be objectively going as great in the US, but at least there's two sides in the fight. In Finland no-one wants to recognise our university-educated police can have anything wrong with them, especially on a systemic level.
I mean, I also agree our cops are pretty decent, but that doesn't mean I don't have some severe criticism of them. Fuck the police and ACAB, but you'll notice I did smudge the visible face of the officer here. And it's because I promised them at the time. I know promises cops make to you don't matter, but the ones I do, do. And this was the first "house-call" for this young lady. And while the police who originally entered (older constable) did make it very clear I'm allowed to video, he just asked if I could avoid faces. And I don't see a point as to why not, since none of them did anything to personally offend me, and the older constable even called his superior after I explained him what happened last time they took me to jail. So he managed to convince his superior there was no need to jail me for it. Last time the guards didn't give me my meds ended up being awake for 72 hours in isolation where they watched me go nuts and eat myself and draw on my own blood on the walls. 3 days lights on constantly I didn't eat or sleep but they thought my "take as necessary" antipsychotics and relaxants weren't necessary. I also didn't even have a mattress. And there's not a single Finn who believes me despite me having photos of the cell. The cops conveniently lost the videos when I asked for them after they tried accusing me of vandalising the cell with my blood. Here's the cell. (But the mattress and blanket weren't there when I was. Not for 90% of the time anyway.)
So yeah when that happened some years ago, I also tried filming the cops coming in. The cop took my phone away ans said "you can't film the police when they work". Which is complete BS ofc . So luckily I had the few s clip of him saying that while taking my phone away. Me complaining about that went to the supreme Court of Finland who did incidentally agree with me (ofc.) The cops even tried the argument of "no but it was a private apartment so I'm not allowed to film them due to their privacy.... when they're coming into my private apartment to invade my privacy.
You prolly won't read the article in Finnish so here's the screencap translated.
So yeah, I agree it would be wild if an active wrestling match with two guys fighting for a gun with bad intentions in mind wouldn't be enough of a reason for the cops to go in, I URGE you to consider the other side of the coin as well.
Oh I'm very much aware of the entire coin. Police overreach, judges willing to turn a blind eye, Defense Attorneys more interested in looking out for themselves than serving the public, we've got a whole pile of shit before you even get to the jails-as-punishment and slavery-for-profit problems.
This is getting tangential, but this point is pretty frustrating as an American. We hear about how racist our country is and how Europe doesn't have these problems but it seems like we're the only ones even trying to see the bigotry and classism inherent in the system, much less do something about it.
I'm sorry your own experience was so bad but I'm not surprised.
Oh man. If I'd had had any attorney for most if it, could've helped. I eventually got some help from some law-firm intern. He rang the police up after the jail thing, after they had sent me the accusation of vandalism as well. Based on that we asked "surely you have video of the crime" and I had put in GDPR information request as technically the video on me was under it as well and I had a right to it. The intern said "he's never heard the cops being so weird and awkward".
Basically yeah. It's sort of weirdly paradoxical a bit, but I definitely agree. As in I would say our police are better trained and do generally behave well. (And only used their guns like once in 10 years, although there's a massive population difference, it's still a magnitude or two lower than in the US.)
Like because you've had these problems and you've actually had civil rights movements and also basically the "real" American spirit, as in freedom liberty equality (which is what the French have on their money btw) is at least chased in the US.
In Finland it's just sort of apathetic and no-one "wants to make a fuss" so I get literally no attention to these horrid miscarriages of justice. My mom lowkey victim-blamed me for them essentially torturing me. It's just impossible to convey the simplistic Finnish take on these things. But if we don't pay attention to bad justice at all even if it doesn't happen that much, then authoritarianism will be on the rise.
And don't even get me started on the racist thing. I've gotten into social trouble for pointing out to adult people that perhaps using the n-word isn't the most politically correct thing anymore. But once I did that and this elderly lady got so fking mad at me. I was driving a taxi, and she kept using it so liberally. I didn't comment, just refrained from using it. Which made her (80-something) go crazy, then I explained i just don't personally want to use the word and she started demanding I say it "call them what they are". Almost hitting me from the backseat.
Anyway that's genuinely one example out of hundreds. The shitty racist bullshit "jokes" I had to listen as a kid. Pfff. Our racism is different but it's very much there even if the laws don't have as much systemic racism in them as the US with its history.
Eh, I've had wilder weekends. It's not the experience itself which hurts me so, it's the fact people think I'm exaggerating or making fuss out of nothing and just "trying to blame others the junkie fuck" and I say junkie because in Finland even if you just smoke weed, you're considered a lowlife junkie no-one wants to associate with, despite their weekend rituals consisting of getting black-out drunk and vomiting and fighting. For decades now.
So I'd say while you may have more problems you also definitely acknowledge at least most of them, unlike here where we might have less but acknowledge none.
Always wondered who’d protect communities in the abolished-police world, and if they could stay good indefinitely
Yup. The cop wasn’t wrong for entering when they suspected an armed fight. They were wrong when they shot the victim.