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Built to peak: Coal power expansion runs out of room in China – Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air
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this post was submitted on 03 Feb 2026
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No I dont think thats equivalent. Climate change emissions is an issue that needs to be addressed on a country scale. We dont blame individuals for climate change.
Its fine to let the blame rest on china for their own emissions. They intentionally choose that route.
If a company comes to new Zealand their emissions are regulated by the nz government and nz is responsible for those emissions. In no reality would we blame another country.
I honestly think we should.
If I'm a massive climate polluter, say, I use a lot of coal to produce steel. If my company decides to set up a subsidiary in China to make it, then claims they just reduced their climate emissions by 90%, I would say that's a bunch of bullshit, all they did was move where the chimneys were.
I'm an advocate for having carbon credits decided based on supply chains not based on borders, otherwise all we do is move our pollution to countries that don't care.
A company moving their steel plant offshore is a negative for that country. So the country isnt going to want to drive it out just to brag about a co2 reduction. The company might brag but so what. If the company wants to claim 90% reduced emissions by getting rid of their steel mill to a subsidiary company thats a different more.pointless argument imo.
China gets a huge advantage from having the steel plant in their country and the wildest part to me is that people will even defend them when someone points out that they are already polluting a ton and should take measures to reduce pollution instead of subsiding coal plants and more steel mills.
Those same people will turn around and say nz needs to axe its own industry to reduce emissions even though our emissions are tiny and not spiraling out of control. Its the most cucked stance and causes me psychic damage.
Isn't that my point though? That everything got offshored to China, then we complain about China's emissions.
We(average people) dont choose to offshore those companies. We only wanted to stop climate change.
Everything went offshore because the world's countries added regulations and policy to try reduce emissions and manufacturing became cheaper in china because they did the opposite and raced to the bottom. China was in climate talks at the same time and was more than developed enough to have been making similar changes. Instead they went in the opposite direction. Intentionally deflating currency, scaling coal,mass deforestation, lying about emissions and policy direction.
Why would i ignore all that and blame individual international companies that are just trying to make and sell product? Thats nitpicking tiny parts of a large problem.
If its ok for china to do what they did then why is nz implementing climate policy? What's the point we hurt ourselves for a 1% reduction only to have china increase emissions by more than out total emissions in a single year. If thry do make changes no one should and they didn't. We are fucked unless china can actually make a serious reduction in emissions which thry seem completely unlikely to do in the next 5 years.