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I don't disagree. I like that spirit. I'm just telling you the reality that unless ICE (or "election integrity enforcement" or whatever they end up calling it) is not present AT ALL than there will be significantly less voter turnout.
They will also use any organized resistance as a reason to "recount" the votes in that area.
I'm not saying this to be a Doomer. I'm saying this so people prepare. There is no scenario in which the upcoming election is free and fair. We need to be preparing state and local level resistance. A unified and state armed multi state coalition. If the blue state politicians don't move on this. Well, we need to start considering that our state governments are not taking the threat seriously and accept what needs to be done to form a real resistance. ICE will not leave because we brought signs. Alex Pretti had the right idea. But we need the organization of an actual state government to do that.
That's what they want. The fascists want us to give them a reason to escalate, because escalation will ensure that people stay away from the polls. We need to be organized, we need to be unified and we need to form a real resistance, but we also need to be smart, and that means NOT giving the fascists exactly what they're hoping for.
Signs don't threaten them, that's true, and that's exactly the point. They want us to threaten them, because then they can escalate. We need to be smart. That doesn't mean we need to be ineffectual or passive, it means we need to be very careful about how we proceed.
You are falling for political talking points by weak politicians that do not want to stand up for the people they represent that are being killed and kidnapped. I need you to understand something important. Fascist DO NOT need an EXCUSE to escalate. How do you think we got to SS troops going door to door asking for papers? Was it because of all the escalating excuses we gave them?
Please, we need people like you to not fall for Democrat politicians that are just trying to save themselves.
You also offered no alternative. Your advice to be "careful" is not advice. If you actually had a proposal I'd be interested in discussing that. But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing as the fascist continue to escalate in the face of nothing being done.
No, that's not true. I am arguing that we must be smart about what we do. Nonviolence is not the same as doing nothing.
Do you have a line? Like, how many people need to be executed by the feds? Is violence never justified in response to federal violence? Or do you have a line?
How many? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you suggest fighting back? And I am not even advocating for a vigilante violence. I'm literally talking about preparing an organized defense that is armed.
You can't wait until your chosen number of dead is reached. By then it's too late.
How is what I discussed not being "smart" about what we do? It's literally about preparing an organized state defense to the fascist literally executing and kidnapping people RIGHT NOW.
What's yours? If your line has been crossed, you go do something about it. Go ahead. I'm rooting for you.
Good job avoiding the question. My line was crossed already. I am. I'm the person out there with the sign today (something I doubt you are even doing, but literally just telling us to keep doing that, to keep getting tear gassed, keep getting shot with pepper bombs).
If you were even doing the thing you were advocating for. That is. "protesting peacefully" you wouldn't have the ignorant perspective you have. Stop advocating for something you clearly aren't even doing.
By the time your line gets crossed you'll be too scared to even go hold a sign.
You're right, I'm too scared. I'm clearly not cut out for this resistance stuff. But I'm sure you've got what it takes, so I'm pulling for you. Go get those fascists!
Have you not been paying any attention?
THEY FUCKING ESCALATE WITHOUT AN EXCUSE ALL THE TIME.
Where is this bullshit "oh guys let's not agitate them it might make it worse"
THERE'S NOT MUCH WORSE THAN LOSING FREE ELECTIONS
ESCALATE. FIGHT. FUCK THEM.
No. That's exactly what they want. They want us to give them a reason to escalate. If they escalate anyway, then they expose themselves as the violent fascists that they are. That's important. Public perception does matter.
"No. That's exactly what they want. They want us to give them a reason to escalate".
They already ARE escalating, and have been for months, without an excuse. They don't need an excuse.
"If they escalate anyway, they expose themselves as the violent fascists they are".
They already have. Now what? What happens when they expose themselves and everyone can see the violent fascists they are? The adults come back into the room and remove their privileges?
If you think this is the maximum extent of how far they could escalate things, you are delusional.
There's a reason why they wear masks, why they lie, manipulate and spread propaganda: because they can't yet act with total impunity. If they could they wouldn't bother with the masks or the secrecy, they'd just roll their tanks down every main street in the nation, capturing and/or killing anyone they felt like. They want that, but they can't possibly get away with that. Yet. There are too many citizens and social, cultural, and political institutions preventing them from the full, violent takeover that they want.
However, if they can convince enough Americans that the "violent, traitorous left" is a serious enough threat, that they need to be given the powers to really take forceful control, then maybe. That's why they want us to commit violent acts against them, so they can portray us as violent socialists hell bent on destroying America. THEY WANT US TO ACT OUT VIOLENTLY AGAINST THEM. They're hoping for it.
You know who knew this? Martin Luther King. He didn't advocate so strongly for nonviolent resistance just because he wanted to be a nice, peaceful guy. He did it because he knew the white supremacists desperately wanted to goat black civil rights activists into acting out violently, so that they could then go before a mostly ignorant, white populace and say, "See! See how violent these blacks can be?! We need to respond with force!"
I'm telling you, trying to fight violence with violence is a very poor strategy. Maybe it will eventually come to that. Maybe a full out, knock down, drag out fight is inevitable, but we're not there yet.
I think you need to read a lot more civil rights leaders that aren't MLK. Do you think MLK existed in a vacuum? Do you think MLK and peaceful protest alone lead to change? If you do, you are believing a lie.
Look, go play soldier then. Go ahead. Go on, March to war. Good luck, I hope you win.
They can't possibly get away with doing more? Why not? What will be the consequences if they escalate unprovoked? Whatever those consequences would be, they should be implemented NOW
They've already exposed themselves. What are you waiting for? What is your line? When they come for you? Offer an alternative that isn't just "wait until things are REALLY REALLY BAD and then that will be our opportunity to point at that; and pointing at that fascist state will somehow defeat it."
As we learned from Superman (2025) and Zootopia 2, all that's required to stop the bad guys is reveal their evil to the public. Then they will magically lose their power and be held accountable. What's that? The crimes of Trump's regime have already been exposed repeatedly? But they haven't been arrested, removed from power, or even lost much reputation? Fuck, now what?
It's frustrating how many people actually think the world is like a superhero movie.
It also doesn't help that we teach history in the same form as well. Rarely much time spent on the unnamed masses that actually make things change. And if we do it's only because they protested peacefully a lot. Or were justified in fighting some "ultimate evil" that liberals will only agree exists decades after the fact.