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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"No. That's exactly what they want. They want us to give them a reason to escalate".

They already ARE escalating, and have been for months, without an excuse. They don't need an excuse.

"If they escalate anyway, they expose themselves as the violent fascists they are".

They already have. Now what? What happens when they expose themselves and everyone can see the violent fascists they are? The adults come back into the room and remove their privileges?

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

They already ARE escalating

If you think this is the maximum extent of how far they could escalate things, you are delusional.

There's a reason why they wear masks, why they lie, manipulate and spread propaganda: because they can't yet act with total impunity. If they could they wouldn't bother with the masks or the secrecy, they'd just roll their tanks down every main street in the nation, capturing and/or killing anyone they felt like. They want that, but they can't possibly get away with that. Yet. There are too many citizens and social, cultural, and political institutions preventing them from the full, violent takeover that they want.

However, if they can convince enough Americans that the "violent, traitorous left" is a serious enough threat, that they need to be given the powers to really take forceful control, then maybe. That's why they want us to commit violent acts against them, so they can portray us as violent socialists hell bent on destroying America. THEY WANT US TO ACT OUT VIOLENTLY AGAINST THEM. They're hoping for it.

You know who knew this? Martin Luther King. He didn't advocate so strongly for nonviolent resistance just because he wanted to be a nice, peaceful guy. He did it because he knew the white supremacists desperately wanted to goat black civil rights activists into acting out violently, so that they could then go before a mostly ignorant, white populace and say, "See! See how violent these blacks can be?! We need to respond with force!"

I'm telling you, trying to fight violence with violence is a very poor strategy. Maybe it will eventually come to that. Maybe a full out, knock down, drag out fight is inevitable, but we're not there yet.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think you need to read a lot more civil rights leaders that aren't MLK. Do you think MLK existed in a vacuum? Do you think MLK and peaceful protest alone lead to change? If you do, you are believing a lie.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

Look, go play soldier then. Go ahead. Go on, March to war. Good luck, I hope you win.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

They can't possibly get away with doing more? Why not? What will be the consequences if they escalate unprovoked? Whatever those consequences would be, they should be implemented NOW