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[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 40 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The US Navy Faces a Major Challenge in Sustaining Combat Operations off the Coast of Iran

milblogger analysis (abridged)

let’s look at the three guided-missile destroyers that are accompanying the USS Abraham Lincoln.

These three destroyers form the core surface escort force, providing air defense, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and strike capabilities (via Tomahawk missiles and other weapons in their Mk 41 VLS cells).

The destroyers are equipped with VLS cells. VLS cell stands for Vertical Launching System cell, a modular compartment in naval missile launchers like the Mk 41 VLS that houses one or more pre-loaded missiles vertically below deck. As noted in the last bullet, these cells are also used to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles, which is likely to be one of the weapons fired at Iran. These means that the air defense capability of the USN destroyers will be reduced in order to accommodate the Tomahawks.

If Iran decides to fire 300 drones in a swarm attack on the carrier strike force, and each destroyer fires at least two air defense missiles at those drones, that would require 600 air defense missiles. And there is the problem… If each destroyer is carrying a load of Tomahawks, then they are only carrying a maximum of 100 interceptors. Not only will the destroyers not have enough interceptors to fend-off the attacking Iranian drones, they will deplete their missile stock.

The only way to reload these cells is that each destroyer must sail to a port equipped with cranes that are capable of reloading the VLS cells.The closest port — I am assuming that the port in Bahrain is not available because Iran will have closed the Strait of Hormuz — is in Diego Garcia, which is 3 to 4 days away if each USN ship is traveling at 25 knots.

Iran has five classes of drones that can fly at least 1,000 kilometers, which means that the US carrier strike group will face an increased risk of drone attacks if it sails closer than 1,000 kilometers from Iran’s southern shore. If it stays outside the 1,000 kilometer range, the US carrier task force capability to hit critical targets in Iran will be very limited because the maximum range of a US Tomahawk cruise missile is 1,600 kilometers. In short, if Iran fires hundreds of missiles and drones at the US carrier task force the the US will not be able to sustain combat operations for more than a couple of days.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 34 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

If Iran decides to fire 300 drones in a swarm attack on the carrier strike force, and each destroyer fires at least two air defense missiles at those drones, that would require 600 air defense missiles. And there is the problem… If each destroyer is carrying a load of Tomahawks, then they are only carrying a maximum of 100 interceptors. Not only will the destroyers not have enough interceptors to fend-off the attacking Iranian drones, they will deplete their missile stock.

That ignores the most valuable asset of a carrier strike group, the air wing, 48 aircraft capable of shooting down drones and cruise missiles. Or the F-15s and F-16s available at bases in the Middle East, which can also shoot down drones and subsonic cruise missiles, equipped with APKWS laser guided rockets. One F-15 or F-16 can be equipped with up to 42 APKWS rockets. That's a deep magazine for shooting down drones and subsonic cruise missiles. Propeller driven one way attack drones fly slowly, given the potential position of the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group around Oman, these drones will take 8+ hours to reach it. That's 8+ hours to figure out an intercept solution before they get close to the carrier and require the destroyers to engage them.

There are multiple models of one way attack drones with the required range, but how many are equipped to track and engage a moving target at sea? That's going to require some sort of datalink to give the drone an updated position of the moving target so it can alter it's course towards it. Most are for striking static land targets, which won't be able to target ships, and reduces the available inventory of appropriate drones.

As for subsonic cruise missiles, their significantly increased speed makes them more of a threat and a viable tactic for a swarm attack on a target, they'd probably take between 60-90 minutes to reach the position of aircraft carrier. But again, Iran's short range cruise missile arsenal won't have the required range, and their long range arsenal for hitting static land targets won't be able to engage ships, Iran will be limited to using longer range cruise missiles with the guidance systems needed for anti ship missiles (Paveh anti ship version). And the cruise missiles can be engaged and shot down by aircraft, including those equipped with APKWS.

Anti ship ballistic missiles (ASBM) are probably Iran's most viable weapon. They can't be shot down by aircraft, take 6-12 minutes to arrive, and require the use of specialised interceptor missiles (SM-3 and SM-6) to shoot down. However, the aircraft carrier will likely be positioned outside the range of most of Iran's shorter range ASBM arsenal, requiring the use of more exotic longer range weapons to engage the carrier strike group, like Qassem Basir. Not all of Iran's ballistic missiles are anti ship capable, the ones that are usually have electro optical guidance (a camera) in the warhead to try find and then steer the maneuverable warhead/re-entry vehicle towards the ship. This is quite different from a cruise missile and difficult to get accurate enough to hit a ship, yet alone a moving ship.

That's the main effect Iran's arsenal of shorter range anti ship weapons accomplishes, keeping the aircraft carrier further away at this stage.

As for surface strike, yes the destroyers will have a few Tomahawks and likely expend them very quickly. But that's not the only option for cruise missile strikes. An Ohio class guided missile submarine can be equipped with 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles and get very close to Iran, much closer than surface vessels. And then there's the AGM-158 JASSM series of cruise missiles that can be launched by tactical fighter aircraft in the Middle East, and strategic bombers flying out of the continental USA. One F-15 can carry up to 5 JASSM, one B-52 20 JASSM, one B-1B 24 JASSM. And the USA is not going to be firing cruise missiles endlessly. With the kind of aircraft they are moving towards the Middle East (F-35s and EA-18Gs with NGJ pods), the US plans to enter Iranian airspace, suppress air defences and conduct an air campaign in that manner, if the decision is made to do so.

I also don't think they'll send the destroyers to reload Tomahawks once they've fired all of them, a more relevant constraint is the amount of anti ballistic missile interceptors onboard the destroyers (SM-3 and SM-6) vs stocks of Iran's long range ASBM arsenal (Qassem Basir and Zulfiqar Basir), and any sort of left of launch defeat strikes the US will aim to impose on these long range ASBM fireteams. If destroyers run out of SM-3 and SM-6, they'll need to go and reload somewhere. As for intercepting cruise missiles and other aerodynamic targets, the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) can be quad packed into a MK 41 VLS cells using the MK 25 canister, meaning a single MK 41 VLS cell can hold 4 ESSMs. So that's worth keeping in mind, it's mentioned in the article.

In a "kill chain", the required steps to successfully complete and verify a "kill" in military doctrine are Find, Fix, Track, Target, Engage, and Assess (F2T2EA). That's a lot more difficult than it seems, especially with regards to naval warfare. This is why a lot of the constraints above apply.

So no, I don't think the aircraft carrier strike group will run out of steam within days, unless Iran manages to fire a large amount of long range ASBMs to exhaust interceptor stocks and force the carrier strike group to go defensive and leave the area.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

A bucket load of cheap decoy drones would help with attrition against APKWS and other cheap munitions. but honestly we saw how well swarms worked in t1-t3, it's just a way to tie up a few fighters/helicopters but otherwise does shit all.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I know that 'engage' is the proper term but not using 'attack' to make it a clean F2T2A2 is hard for me to cope with.

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Good analysis comrade, too much underestimation of imperialist forces in peoples comments and analysis these days. Your posts and research are much appreciated in keeping expectations level headed.

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 26 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I think a lot of people are still under the influence of that US military exercise where they fought an "Iran-like" enemy and lost. That was like 20 years ago with 20 years old tech. Today, the technological gap is so big we don't even know where to begin...

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They failed completely to bring Yemen to heel like a year ago. Iran has more targets for the US to shoot at but I don't seem them capitulating either

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 7 points 3 hours ago

Iran has shot down a grand total of one UAV and no aircraft during the defence of their territory a few months ago while their air defences and ballistic missiles were getting destroyed one by one.

[–] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 17 points 11 hours ago

TBF to Millenium Challenge 2002 -all the Generals tomfoolery notwithstanding- that was a specific scenario for a land-based invasion, as comrade Marmite points out many a time, they don't really need to do that and have the capability to just airstrike and standoff strike whatever they want these days, and that serves their interests insofar as they want to try and instigate regime change. I still believe the US would effectively lose a land-based invasion, though that has more to do with American logistic strains than anything else, and it would be a months to years long siege conditions where Iran suffers immensely.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 15 points 11 hours ago

At this point, the propagation of that exercise is a disinfo campaign to make people underestimate the US military.

[–] cosmosaucer@hexbear.net 27 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

what is the likelihood Iran even fires at the carriers, havent they been hesitant to hit anything substantial so far? what are the odds Iran just warns the US theyll hit some random pre-evacuated base like before

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 15 hours ago

I assume Iran will wait for the US to strike first, and I assume the US first strike will be to destroy anything and everything Iran could use to destroy these ships.

So really it's a game of intelligence. If the US successfully hits all the drone sites, Iran can't strike back. If US intelligence misses a few or Iran successfully defends against some of these strikes and Iran has enough drones left to counterattack, we might be in for some fun times.

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 31 points 18 hours ago

The argument is that if the US still wants to strike Iran after Iran has given up the nuclear program and allowed the previous strikes, that the US won’t be happy with anything other than installing a puppet regime which means there is no longer any sense in restraint.