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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And “The plot was bad, I don’t even remember what happened”. Bro, what do I even say to that?

The story wasn’t so bad that it failed to sell tens of millions of copies in dozens of languages.

Thanks, i can respond to that. It may have not had the best written story, but it was a story that resonated with people (even though we, on reflection, found a lot to pick apart in it) and that's really, really hard to do. Tens of millions of copies each volume indeed.

From then on he’s a mere vessel for the reader to experience the world and the author to move the plot along.

I mean i'm exposing my writing naivete here but if we get rid of the word mere above, isn't the primary job of the MC to be a vessel for the reader to experience the world and the author to move the plot? we kind of come back to the same idea. give a bland protag that the reader can feed their emotions and reasoning into and they connect a little more. the more they connect the better the book sells. it seems like a decent writing strategy if nothing else is working.

given that thought, maybe i should write a novel about me. i can't think of anything blander. maybe that's why they say everyone's first novel is about themselves.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I am not saying it did not sell. That's the one thing it did really well. But it's hardly a hot take to say success is not a measure of quality. Plenty of mainstream slop out there. HP is slop. It's not offensively bad, but it's certainly not good.

Over 6+ books it's really sub-par writing to have a character who does not really grow because they already did not have any internal flaws or conflicts. The upside is that it's really hard to hate a blank slate MC and you don't risk writing yourself into a corner. I'm sure this is no small part of why there is so much HP fanfic specifically -- it's hard to write those characters badly as they lack so much depth!

Tons of things did the HP formula better, with well developed characters, good worldbuilding, good plot, good themes, yada yada. e.g. The Magicians (only saw the show) or Misfits&Magic. And in all of those the protags face strong personal hardships and are drastically different people by the end. Yeah, it's hard, but that's what storytellers do.