In a discussion with progressive libs talking about all the virtues of being a democrat supporter and being opposed to fascism and the current state of affairs with ICE and I reply by telling them that the dems have supported ICE at every turn and they have taken every opportunity to increase their funding so how is that leaning away from fascism by their own reasoning? I also said that if a Nazi promised to do 50% less holocaust, would that also qualify as leaning away from fascism (which is incredibly charitable given that the democrats absolutely do not even come close to reducing their support for ICE to 50% of the GOP.)
Someone replies with "they managed to do it with a lot less shooting of people and a lot less assaulting of people unwarranted". (Apparently assaulting people is cool if you have a warrant??)
I tell them exactly what you'd expect. "So you're not opposed to fascism as long as it minimizes shootings and ICE only assaults people when they have a warrant?"
Look at this reply of theirs:
Respect. Proceduralism. Fascism is cool with me if it's a few notches below the current fever-pitch level. Even though the dems have been willing collaborators in walking this path every step of the way, it's pretty silly to both sides the issue (no I will not elaborate). There are only two options: ICE and open borders.
...this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that progressives are worse to deal with than conservatives. I know that there's this trope about MAGA supporters being brainwashed and it's not untrue but if anyone can explain to me how you can call yourself antifascist and "pretty heavily anti-ICE" while defending the party that increases ICE funding every time they get into power then I'd love to hear it because as far as I can tell if you're acting like ICE has always existed, that it's a necessity, and that you're opposed to ICE while defending it and defending your support of the party that throws its full weight behind ICE then how is that not being so deep in the trashcan of ideology that your roommate is Oscar the Grouch?
If it helps remember that their ideology will seem like an impenetrable wall until it actually starts to fall. It’s about leverage. But until they hit that tipping point this is what they get up to. They will create complex arguments, seeming to account for all the moving pieces except the overarching role capitalism plays in their equations. For god’s sake these people will invent new flavors of capitalism just to get mad at to prevent admitting they hate capitalism. It’s like dealing with a toddler’s logic it’s infuriating. They’re doomed to only seeing what they decode from reality with their liberal cypher. Mind melting to deal with.
It really is. I've been at this for a long time and I tend to go yell at the libs to blow off steam. Idk if that's actually a good thing or not but it's an outlet and maybe it contributes to something positive in some small way. But it's really just me yelling into the (political) void so I can have a pressure release valve - I'm not gonna pretend like it's some noble crusade.
It's wild that I called it and said that they'd vote for the 50% holocaust and directly after they're saying "it's a spectrum" and "the democrats are a few notches below." I swear they don't actually engage with the substance of an argument before they trot out their talking points because I'd be mortified to make an argument like that right after a comment with that 50% line.
They are goosestepping all the way to hell.
I've been exactly where you are. Idk what the solution is but you're not alone