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There is a fucking Stalin on this picture. Please don't upvote it. Some nations to this day use "Yalta" as a synonym of "betrayal".
Stalin was part of the allies who kicked the nazis to the curb. We can't upvote the allies?
I assume the lack of nuance is the argument in this case.
Oh yeah probably! Just a picture of Franklin maybe? He's the only one I haven't heard supporting any fascist policies
Someone's familiar with Churchill's behaviour and opinions outside of WW2 I see
EDIT: "lively terror" , Bengal famine , gallipoli/"operation get behind the Aussies"
EDIT2 : oh shit, the Bengal famine even took place during WW2, what an arsehole. I'm starting to be convinced that bigging up churchill is a right wing psyop to keep Clement Attlee from being consistently ranked as the greatest Prime Minister so the UK gets left wing ideals further entrenched into its identity.
All Stalin had to do was not make a deal with Hitler.
He didn't have to cozy up to Churchill, just not make a deal with Hitler.
Also, after he made the deal he killed anyone who tried to tell him that Hitler was going to stab him in the back.
Communists in the German army walked up to the Russian lines and told them that invasion was on the way. Stalin had them killed.
The Russian people beat Hitler; Stalin was a yoke around their neck.
But the Soviets did try to cozy up to the UK, France, etc. Before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came into being
Because the Soviets knew that the Nazi's wanted to to Manifest Destiny in Eastern Europe.
They were turned away because western the powers thought that the Nazi's would do the dirty work of destroying the Communists for them.
So, to bide time, the Soviets see no other choice but to make nice with the Nazis for a time.
We can look back, with the benefit of hindsight, at aspects of all this, and say "Damn x thing about this sucked shit", but I think you're being overly simplistic in your assessment
Well that's some Nazi friendship apologism.
Well that's some purity test oversimplification.
The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.
And as SpookyBogMonster said, they did try to achieve that a decade earlier with the western powers but were rejected.
This is however besides the point. Stalin was a part of the allies and not upvoting something just because Stalin is present in the picture is dumb.
Same goes for the rest of the allied soldiers but hey, it's Churchill and Franklin we speak of
Yeah, officially that's what they did. And they also agreed on which parts of Europe they would each help themselves to.
You cut out the part where I said Stalin was a yoke around the neck of the Russians.
He killed a lot of his own best generals. Neither Churchill or FDR did that.
Crackers still haven't forgiven him for that
Make a deal with the devil you know seems to be relevant here.
If you think Stalin was better than Hittler, I have a bridge to sell you.
Reading comprehension mate. Nowhere could you find any such sentiments in what I wrote.
Let me paraphrase, yes, I belive that it's not a great idea to upvote a genocidal tyran responsible for a death of millions just becouse he is an "ally". The exact picture that you upvoting is the moment when real allies were betreyed and given away to him.
Polish pilots destroy 12% of German aircraft's during the Battle of Britain. The same pilots learned that they are not allowed to march in the parade during victory day, not to displease Stalin.. Oh and that they don't have home to go back to.
Here's a funny picture of the "og afa" which Stalin was very much a part of. The "you can't upvote this because Stalin is present!" is stupid.
Two reasons: Stalin was with the allies, no denying that, and what better picture to present that view that the iconic picture of them together?
There's no denying of the crimes Stalin were responsible for but you can't overlook the fact that he was an ally.
Betraying other allies. It is iconic. It should be infamous.
Think about it this way. If the allience was with hittler to defeat Stalin would you be upvoting it? Becouse there is no fucking difference.
In some countries, such as Germany, "the allies" (or its translation) doesn't even generally include Russia. Russia was allied with Germany at first, raped half of Europe, then divided it in two and tried to starve half of Berlin.
The picture is a relevant reminder of what fascism is and how it needed to be defeated in the past, but I can understand opposition to anything that lauds Stalin.
In Sweden the Soviets are not really regarded as part of the allies as well, just some other entity that the allies helped against Hitler. That doesn't change that they were in the allies club however.
And Stalin should rightfully be left in the murderous dictators club. But recommending to not upvoting a picture of the allied leaders because Stalin is there, well.
This is that thing, like a old clock. It might be right 2x a day but its still broken for 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day.
how's not voting for trump's opponents working out for you?
Co kurwa?
Kurwa mac. You're posting some bullshit purity test nonsense. "oh no, there's one bad person who in this context was doing the right thing, let's disregard it completely!"
Stalin is as bad or maybe worse parson than Hitler. And on this picture exactly its captured a moment when allies were selling allies by making a deal with him at their expense of freedom and lives. 40% of polish land was stolen. Legimate Polish goverment that was sending trups to die with British and American soldier was removed and replaced with soviet-backed puppets that day. It was the end of democracy in Poland for the next 44 years. Iligal annexation of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania was signed that day. All allies. Fate of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria was sealed behind iron curtain that day. "Bad person doing right thing" is a very reductive way to look at this.
that's cool for you, and the alliance pictured is what beat the nazis and ended ww2. so I don't care.
Ended for some, prolonged the occupation for others. And yes, I see the lack of carrying. That's exactly why it was a betrayal.
Yep, I personally slammed all those Poles into the gas chambers. I was the nazi all along.
Of course you weren't. You just refuse to revisit imperial-centric view of history, and chose to defend the day when ~100 Million people were betrayed by 2 nations. All in defend of upvoting possibly the worse person that ever lived.
I have no doubt's about your good intentions. But I don't understand why learning that things have nuances and that victors tend to color their victory narrative makes you defensive.
If upvoting Stalin don't make you sick to your stomach, you didn't have a chance to learn about him enought.
I didn't realise poland was that big /s
I do understand. I get that Stalin installed an authoritarian puppet and abused poland and was just another invasion to the poles and etc etc etc. I get that the iron curtain states were abused and stripped of resources and maimed and another zillion things.
I get that , just like every person that leaves a place with a left wing dictator, Poland now hates anything remotely left wing, or fucking whatever.
As a side note, I even know the polish contribtions made in the allied "free" countries like britain, where they helped the RAF, and with doing heavy lifting for decoding the enigma machine and a zillion other things that I am unaware of the specifics of.
But if you think for a second that having hitler keep poland as lebensraum , continue to literally liquidate polish people and other slavs they saw as untermenchen and have nazi germany continue existing would have been better for anyone; poles, jews, other europeans, would have been better, you are the one that needs to re-examine their ideas and interpretation of history.
here's something fun for you :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_war_crimes_in_occupied_Poland_during_World_War_II
If you want to say that perpetuating this beyond six years, and being under the nazis indefinitely , would have been better than being under the soviets, and stalin specifically for 8 more years, I have nothing further to add, you are too far in the sauce to talk reason to.
EDIT: also this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany
Pointing out your ignorance is a great use of sarcasm. It was not just Poland, obviously.
Poland don't hate everything remotly left wing. I consider leftist. We are not found of comunism, but a socialism find and well. Many thing that you'd consider lefty we consider central, basicly normal or civil right (like universal health care, maternity leave, free higher education, etc). But we are not found of dictatorship, genecides, tyrany and basic fucking monsters who -just an example - deliberetly starved millions.of Ukrainians.
Did you know that the same pilots were not allowed to participate in the victory parade? Most of them never saw home again.
You seems to make an argument that this was either one or another. Putting aside that you ask to split hairs between two most inhuman system in human history. I encourage you to google soviet crimes on occupied Poland during WW2... Did you took a second to do it? Google Katyn Massacre while you at it. Or did you forget that Stalin was hitler's ally at first and that they attacked Poland together? Or did they still teach you that WW2 started at Pearl Harbor? American exceptionalism didn't stop you for a moment from assuming that decimation of my nation would be something I know about? And maybe the 1st Wikipedia page wouldnt be something revelatory to me? This is, "I'll teach this Italian people in Italy how to make REAL expresso" level of 'mericanism.
All this asife, it is simply a false dyhotomy. The better deal could be struct. There were means. There was no will.
There is always a reason to explain terrible things. There is always some pragmatics argument for Yalta, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo... Sure, you want to be a pragmatic about it... But don't fucking celebrate it. And apploding Stalin for ending Nazism is like celebrating golum for destroying the one ring. Only more cruel.
I'm not even "American". I am worse than a Yank, I am; may Jan Pawel II have mercy on my soul for uttering this word, a Turk.
You're saying there's a false dichotomy, ok. What were you expecting to have happen to get rid of the nazis that were literally industrialising the murder of polish people by the trainload? Also, you seem to know a lot about the horrid things that stalin did, what did he do on the level of taking trainfulls of polish people to factories of murder be worked to death or gassed and cremated?
... I... I don't... That way you asked the questuons it seems that the answer you are expecting is that, "ok, he did nothing like that"...
... which is shocking to me. You honestly think this was a curveball question? He's crimes are so well documented.
He litteraly did all of that, minus the gas Chambers. Not from lack of trying Simply not tech savy enougt. But sometimes they had to line up people in a row to kill them with one bullet for time and cost efficiency. Up to 300,000 poles died from cold and starvation when they were deported by million in trains designed to transport cattle. I feel like this is something that should resonate with you becouse thats how he killed 40% of Crimea Tatars. Basic google search would reveal all you asked and more, running people by trains to mass murder them and put in mass graves, running them to force work camps where they were forced to work to their death (please don't tel me that this is the first time you heard about "gulags"). Mass rapes, mass violatioss, mutilations and castrations of prisoners. You get that all. Nazi soldiers fighted to their death just for a chance to surrender to Americans not to soviets. Even before the war NKVD killed 111,000 poles living in Russia. And that just Poles. If you add other nations. Even if you count just Russians... You must be familiar with Great Terror, right?
Did you google the katyń massacre like i begged you to do?
I'm litteraly shocked by your question. You are quilts litteraly playing a devils advocate here.
(Sorry for assuming you are American)