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Stalin was part of the allies who kicked the nazis to the curb. We can't upvote the allies?
I assume the lack of nuance is the argument in this case.
Oh yeah probably! Just a picture of Franklin maybe? He's the only one I haven't heard supporting any fascist policies
Someone's familiar with Churchill's behaviour and opinions outside of WW2 I see
EDIT: "lively terror" , Bengal famine , gallipoli/"operation get behind the Aussies"
EDIT2 : oh shit, the Bengal famine even took place during WW2, what an arsehole. I'm starting to be convinced that bigging up churchill is a right wing psyop to keep Clement Attlee from being consistently ranked as the greatest Prime Minister so the UK gets left wing ideals further entrenched into its identity.
All Stalin had to do was not make a deal with Hitler.
He didn't have to cozy up to Churchill, just not make a deal with Hitler.
Also, after he made the deal he killed anyone who tried to tell him that Hitler was going to stab him in the back.
Communists in the German army walked up to the Russian lines and told them that invasion was on the way. Stalin had them killed.
The Russian people beat Hitler; Stalin was a yoke around their neck.
But the Soviets did try to cozy up to the UK, France, etc. Before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came into being
Because the Soviets knew that the Nazi's wanted to to Manifest Destiny in Eastern Europe.
They were turned away because western the powers thought that the Nazi's would do the dirty work of destroying the Communists for them.
So, to bide time, the Soviets see no other choice but to make nice with the Nazis for a time.
We can look back, with the benefit of hindsight, at aspects of all this, and say "Damn x thing about this sucked shit", but I think you're being overly simplistic in your assessment
Well that's some Nazi friendship apologism.
Well that's some purity test oversimplification.
The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.
And as SpookyBogMonster said, they did try to achieve that a decade earlier with the western powers but were rejected.
This is however besides the point. Stalin was a part of the allies and not upvoting something just because Stalin is present in the picture is dumb.
Same goes for the rest of the allied soldiers but hey, it's Churchill and Franklin we speak of
Yeah, officially that's what they did. And they also agreed on which parts of Europe they would each help themselves to.
You cut out the part where I said Stalin was a yoke around the neck of the Russians.
He killed a lot of his own best generals. Neither Churchill or FDR did that.
Crackers still haven't forgiven him for that
Make a deal with the devil you know seems to be relevant here.
If you think Stalin was better than Hittler, I have a bridge to sell you.
Reading comprehension mate. Nowhere could you find any such sentiments in what I wrote.
Let me paraphrase, yes, I belive that it's not a great idea to upvote a genocidal tyran responsible for a death of millions just becouse he is an "ally". The exact picture that you upvoting is the moment when real allies were betreyed and given away to him.
Polish pilots destroy 12% of German aircraft's during the Battle of Britain. The same pilots learned that they are not allowed to march in the parade during victory day, not to displease Stalin.. Oh and that they don't have home to go back to.
Here's a funny picture of the "og afa" which Stalin was very much a part of. The "you can't upvote this because Stalin is present!" is stupid.
Two reasons: Stalin was with the allies, no denying that, and what better picture to present that view that the iconic picture of them together?
There's no denying of the crimes Stalin were responsible for but you can't overlook the fact that he was an ally.
Betraying other allies. It is iconic. It should be infamous.
Think about it this way. If the allience was with hittler to defeat Stalin would you be upvoting it? Becouse there is no fucking difference.
In some countries, such as Germany, "the allies" (or its translation) doesn't even generally include Russia. Russia was allied with Germany at first, raped half of Europe, then divided it in two and tried to starve half of Berlin.
The picture is a relevant reminder of what fascism is and how it needed to be defeated in the past, but I can understand opposition to anything that lauds Stalin.
In Sweden the Soviets are not really regarded as part of the allies as well, just some other entity that the allies helped against Hitler. That doesn't change that they were in the allies club however.
And Stalin should rightfully be left in the murderous dictators club. But recommending to not upvoting a picture of the allied leaders because Stalin is there, well.
This is that thing, like a old clock. It might be right 2x a day but its still broken for 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day.