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@edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space was looking at PieFed code the other week, and I ended up taking a look at it too. Its great fun to sneak a peak at.
For example, you can not cast a vote on PieFed if you've made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long:
If a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word "this", the comment is dropped (CW: ableism in the function name):
Every user (remote or local) has an "attitude" which is calculated as follows:
(upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your "attitude" is < 0.0 you can't downvote.Every account has a Social Credit Score, aka your Reputation. If your account has less than 100 reputation and is newly created, you are not considered "trustworthy" and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your reputation is calculated as
upvotes earned - downvotes earnedaka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can't create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low:PieFed boasts that it has "4chan image detection". Let's see how that works in practice:
Yup. If your image contains the word
Anonymous, and contains the textNo.orN0it will reject the image with a fake error message. Not only does it give you a fake error, but it also will dock your Social Credit Score. Take note of thecurrent_user.reputation -= 1PieFed also boasts that it has AI generated text detection. Let's see how that also works in practice:
This is the default detection, apparently you can use an API endpoint for that detection as well apparently, but it's not documented anywhere but within the code.
Do you want to leave a comment that is just a funny gif? No you don't. Not on PieFed, that will get your comment dropped and lower your Social Credit Score!
How does it know its just a gif though?
I'm not even sure someone would actually drop a link like this directly into a comment. It's not even taking into consideration whether those URLs are part of a markdown image tag.
As Edie mentioned, if someone has a user blocked, and that user replies to someone, their comment is dropped:
For Example:
(see Edies original comment here)
More from Edie:
Also add if the poster has blocked you! It is exactly as nonsense as you think.
Example:
I made a post in testing@piefed.social from my account testingpiefed@piefed.social, replied to it from my other testingpiefed@piefed.zip account. Since the .social account has blocked the .zip, it doesn't show up on .social, nor on e.g. piefed.europe.pub.
I then made a comment from my lemmy.ml account, and replied to it from my piefed.zip account, and neither .social, nor europe.pub can see my .zip reply, but can see my lemmy.ml comment!
But wait! There's More!
All this to say. Piefed is a silly place, and no one should bother using its software.
mmmm delicious software slop. thank you
A rare treat!
wow this is bad. I need to look through the piefed repo. This shit is pure comedic gold even if super toxic in practice. Is this software entirely vibe coded by neolib ideologues?
I feel like it has to be. Lack of good coding practices, like hardcoding all those is_it_a_gif strings, screams vibe coded to me. You couldn't get away with this stuff in a 200 level coding class. You know what, vibe coding is a good programming equivalent to libs: all substance with no foundations.
Yes it is, far as I'm aware.
Am I reading this correctly, that if you have no defederated instances it falls back to defederating hexbear/ml/grad?
Pretty amusing that there's apparently no thought to abstraction, just a bunch of brain genius "feature" additions strung together.
Absolutely zero abstraction to be found.
well that'd create hierarchies
Someone in a different release thread was going on about how piefed just made up its own federation return ignoring standards
Found it
https://lemmy.world/comment/21179968
Edit, for those getting wrong thread comment in question
lmao of course they aren't even implementing the underlying protocol properly.
edit: lmao that whole thread is good entertainment.
I actually misread on that, it also has to be a newly created account.
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I've made the correction. I missed that too somehow.
Also add if the poster has blocked you! It is exactly as nonsense as you think.
Example:
I made a post in testing@piefed.social from my account testingpiefed@piefed.social, replied to it from my other testingpiefed@piefed.zip account. Since the .social account has blocked the .zip, it doesn't show up on .social, nor on e.g. piefed.europe.pub.
I then made a comment from my lemmy.ml account, and replied to it from my piefed.zip account, and neither .social, nor europe.pub can see that .zip reply, but can see my lemmy.ml comment!
Edit: here is the post on dbzer0, also can't see any .zip comments
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Ok, so if you block a person, it enforces that block for other users and even logged off users. Meaning, if me and you had a beef. I could block you, and then talk shit about you openly, and if you wanted to reply to me, you could, but it would then drop the comment and no one on my instance would see it, and no one on other instances would see it, unless you were on say, a Lemmy instance?
edit: sorry I had to rewrite that like twice because it's so fucking confusing.
So, what I'm talking about here is this code:
Where if the author of the post you are making a comment on has blocked you, the comment is dropped.
No. People on your own instance will always be able to see your comments, even if people on the piefed instance can't.
And the reason why piefed.europe.pub cannot see the comment from my piefed.zip account is that the testing community is on piefed.social, and it doesn't announce the comment to other instances. I think the reason why lemmy.ml can still see the comment is because piefed.zip sent it directly to lemmy.ml? But I don't really know.
Edit: I see you edited it. My reply is still more or less correct even with the edit. I will add, that being lemmy instance isn't going to fix it, it's still the piefed instance's (the instance the community is on) job to federate the comment. And if you were talking on a community not on your instance, so my reply wouldn't be dropped by the community's instance, every other instance except yours would know of my comments.
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if i'm on piefed god forbid, and i reply to a comment on an OP who has blocked me, will my own instance reject my comment? will it give me an error or will it silently drop it or what?
I completely misread your comment.
If you are on the same instance as the blocker, you will get this error message: "Your reply was not accepted because The author of the parent post has blocked the author or instance of the new reply."
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Lmao holy shit
My instance is a piefed software I believe. Dammit. This shit is just unforgivable and theres no reason for it besides being a fashy. Absolutely wild. I just liked the instance ideology :.(
Its got some silly shit but honestly the most annoying thing is the way they handle blocks. Most of this stuff can be turned off. The fact that we're communicating means your instance has transcended the softwares fashy nature.
It still feels nasty using it now. I read this entire thread. Thanks for the very fucking confusing but interesting deep dive into the fashy software design theory. Shit is absolutely wild. I have no idea why anyone would want to even waste time implementing nonsense like this.
They just want reddit! They can't accept that their concepts of freedom and democracy create the exact same controls they claim to hate.
I just find it funny that the things I've complained about in the past are being removed. Vote weights are gone, community kicking is gone. I think you can still put warnings on external communities (maybe instances) which is silly.
I'm tempted to make a hard fork of it and remove all the reddit shit and fix the blocking feature as a laugh. I wouldn't have much interest in maintaining it though.
I think what I find the most hilarious after this is all of you hexbears have great social credit according to anarchist.nexus lol meanwhile it flags Donald J Musk and UniversalMonk lol
The universal monk one makes sense simply because of how much world hates that user
I remember seeing you talk in some other community and I didn't point it out but I want to make sure you know, attitude and reputation are not the same thing.
Anyways, yeah, since we don't have downvotes our attitude is always 1.0 (since it's just the ratio of upvotes to downvotes) and our reputation should be pretty high since it's only federated users that can downvote us.
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Yeah I comment too much. That makes sense with downvotes disabled, but it also highlights how silly it all is. If they could even see you, their systems wouldn't work anyway lol
With how spaghetti the code must be given all the hard-coded ad-hoc on top of each other they have going on, you might be better off just rewriting it from scratch instead.
Yeah, that's true. I actually had this thought last night instead:
Recreate the original reddit.com where it was just a single feed. Except with modern features like posting tags and user flairs. Basically, take Lemmy, distill it down so that it only serves a single community instead of many communities, and federate it.
The more I think about it though, the more it falls apart I think. Like, should users be allowed to follow other communities? Then at that point am I just recreating lemmy with more steps, where you have to host a whole web stack for each community? Probably.
If you don't like the software specifically, you can switch to lemmy.dbzer0.com instead. Those two instances (anarchist.nexus and lemmy.dbzer0.com) are for all intents and purposes the same instance.
Idk it seems ya'll have removed all that you can that sucks. This seems like a battle I'd worry about if I was in PieFed proper. I am so tired, boss.
Dont worry, we've disabled all we can of that.
Piefed is nice in its own way, but god damn it, those "features" suck. Some of them we can't disable.
I especially hate the "AI detection" because it's sloppy, can't be disabled, and some people actually use the em dash, like me.
Linking to top of a comment thread that yes started with a terrible username. But it boiled down to people bringing up some of these concerns to people trying to say ml is super censorship
Then a piefed cheerleader(spokesperson?) who tries to make everyone's concerns just a sign they're misunderstanding what piefed does.
~~https://lemmy.ml/comment/2338226~~
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23382263
Correct link, I accidentally removed the 3
My god cowbee is a saint
I think this is the wrong thread?
Yeah I accidentally removed a number at the end, edited post.
https://lemmy.ml/post/41773598/23384239
And where other user started to explain why it's okay if it doesn't even let the person know it doesn't leave a comment. Because it shows in piefed...
At this point wonder if the attitude they have even works properly if voting outside of piefed
(Only locally, federated piefed instances can reply to blockers just fine)
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https://lemmy.ml/comment/23390349
Which AFAICT incorrect as it is right now. Unless I somehow managed to create a bug where I can reply from one piefed account to another which has the first blocked.
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You haven't created a bug, and you have it correct. If a Piefed user blocks a remote Piefed user, and that remote Piefed user attempts to reply to them in the UI this is what happens:
in_reply_to.author.has_blocked_user(current_user.id); fails if block known locally.create_post_replycheck, may sendDeleteactivity backPiefed has no means of federating blocks. In fact, they have some TODOs to actually implement federated blocks:
app/user/routes.py:811has aTODOcomment# federate blockwith placeholder ellipsis, andapp/post/routes.py:1384has a similarTODO.app/shared/tasks/blocks.py:ban_personsendsBlockactivities exclusively for site/community bans, not user‑to‑user blocks.app/activitypub/routes.py:1520‑1526processes incoming Mastodon‑style blocks (without atargetfield) and creates localUserBlockrecords, but there is no corresponding outgoing federation.So as it stands now, Lemmy and PieFed experience the exact same thing. I guess Piefed users just don't notice.
More opensource devs should subtly abuse their users like that.
ps
Some of my favorite stuff is just the comments about lemmy in the code.:::
Actually admins.
Also apparently it doesn't work?
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