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NATO infighting? You love to see it, folks.

The latest incident of America's satrapies becoming increasingly unhappy about their mandated kowtowing involves, of all places, Greenland. As I'm sure most people here are aware, Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark with a degree of geopolitical and economic importance - the former due to its proximity to Russia, and the latter due to the proven and potential reserves of minerals that could be mined there. It's also been an odd fascination of Trump during his reign, now culminating in outright demands.

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This is all simultaneously occurring alongside the Canadian Prime Minister's visit to China in which longstanding sore spots in their bilateral relationship are being addressed, with China reducing tariffs on Canadian canola oilseeds, and Canada reducing tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, as well as currency swaps between their central banks, among many other things. It seems no accident that Canada's reconsideration of their relationship with China is occurring as Trump has made remarks about turning Canada into the next US state, as well as the demand for the renegotiation of the USMCA.


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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago (4 children)

https://archive.ph/ILQQq

First Trump-class battleship could cost over $20 billion: CBO

Follow on ships could cost anywhere from $9 billion to $13 billion per vessel if orders begin today, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

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The first Trump-class battleship could cost up to about $21 billion if ordered today, with the price inching toward $22 billion if ordered in 2030, according to an estimate put forward by the Congressional Budget Office. Eric Labs, an analyst with the CBO’s national security division, said in a presentation Thursday that based on cost-by-weight estimates, the lead battleship could range in cost from $14.3 billion to $20.6 billion if ordered today. Those estimates vary depending on the ultimate displacement — or weight — of the ship, as well as differing depending on the details of which historical US warship is used to inform the assessment, according to presentation slides published by the CBO. If the Navy waits to order its first battleship until 2030, the price of the first battleship could increase to anywhere from $15.1 billion to $21.6 billion. Follow on ships could cost anywhere from $9 billion to $13 billion per vessel if orders begin today, or from $10 billion to $15 billion if the first ship order is deferred until 2030, the CBO presentation stated.

In December, President Donald Trump announced that the Navy would buy new battleships as part of the White House’s “Golden Fleet” concept meant to solidify US naval power. A graphic shown by Navy officials at the Surface Navy Association symposium on Thursday showcased a ship design with a displacement of more than 35,000 tons, and a suite of weapons that includes nuclear cruise missiles, hypersonic missiles, vertical launch systems for other missiles, guns, laser weapons and railguns. However, many details of the program are yet to be decided and could influence the battleship’s ultimate price, according to the CBO.

Modern shipbuilding techniques and a more simplified design could help to drive down cost, the CBO analysis said. The composition of the ship, such as the level of armor and weapons, could also impact cost. “An armored ship could be cheaper to build per unit of weight,” the presentation states. “The ship could carry more weapons relative to its size and thus could cost less per unit of weight compared with analogous ships built in the past.” At the same time, workforce challenges and supply chain issues could raise the cost of the battleship, as could difficulties integrating its new sensors and weapons, the CBO stated. “If the BBG-1 has more survivability features — greater compartmentalization or internal structure, for example — than the Navy’s current surface combatants, costs could increase,” according to the CBO.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Lmao

What's the point of this over an aircraft carrier? I see zero point. All this for 128 Mk 41 VLS, 12 CPS/LRHW/Dark Eagle hypersonic weapons, and some razzle dazzle lasers and sci-fi railgun. A pointless vessel, a colosal waste of resources. It probably won't ever get built.

Just for context, a singular cruise missile (Tomahawk, JASSM/LRASM) usually has a 700-1000lb warhead. The Trump battleship can only carry 128 of these. That's 128 000lbs of ordinance at best downrange before it goes winchester and has to be reloaded with more missiles. Realistically much less, considering some of that VLS will be saved for air defence. The first ever F-35C combat action of a singular squadron, a fraction of a carrier's air wing, delivered over 70 000lbs of ordinance in a couple of hours. And crucially, unlike a cruise missile, you can reuse an aircraft.

CPS is different because that's an ability to hit and hold at risk time sensitive targets at very long ranges, significantly further than a carrier's air wing even with refueling, and gets to the target much, much faster than an aircraft... But these are exotic weapons designed to hold a few key targets at risk, a single shot costs over 40 million dollars. And a single battleship gives you 12 shots... The math is not working out here for a more mainline capability.

Also why does any of this need to be on a surface vessel instead of a guided missile submarine?

I have significant doubts about the effectiveness of the lasers and railguns... They don't exist yet. Lasers for point defence instead of CIWS and Rolling Airframe Missiles can work, and there's some interesting stuff high velocity projectiles can do in air defence, including shooting down ballistic missiles/hypersonic weapons. But these are all hypothetical capabilities, not currently existing ones.

As I've said before, if people want the US to lose an upcoming war in the pacific, they would encourage them to build this piece of bloated ballast, plus huge amounts of one way attack drones.

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There is a pro-US guy, who has basically said that the US navy tricked him by calling it a battleship, and that it will get reduced in size once he can't do anything to stop it. The navy has supposedly wanted midsize missile boats for a few decades, and they see this as their one chance to build it.

I doubt any of the people actually pulling the strings are planning for this to ever be built in its current form.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That would just be DDG(X) then, which this is said to replace. So they're just going to shuffle around the name?

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

No, like the boat itself is going to get redesigned after trump leaves.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

The American laser weapon program was/is predicated on significant advances in laser related materials science (like the already failed railgun program) that don’t appear to have materialized yet (like the already failed railgun program).

[–] companero@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

China's (actually existing) rough equivalent, the Type 055 cruiser, costs less than $1 billion each, for another reference point.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

And each one has almost as many VLS cells as this boondoggle.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This sort of thing is why I'm surprised the US hasn't gone to full scale war with China yet, or why I won't be if they do in the next couple of years. China hasn't caught up in sheer numbers of military equipment yet but they have in tech, and they far surpass the US ability to both produce and build military equipment. So not only could they build 20 ships for the price of one, they actually have the manufacturing capacity to do it, or the ability to create the manufacturing capabilities if they don't.

The window is closing, fast. The only thing the US has is it's military power projection. All other US power comes from that. The petrodollar exists because they US will destroy anyone who doesn't participate in it. Currently, China still has to play ball. In 10 years they won't. In 5 years they maybe won't. If the US doesn't act now there won't be a chance to act later.

Probably.

I'm not saying China will definitely use military force projection to decouple from US dollar hegemony but they currently don't even really have that option. Soon, they will. They can build that option and they are building that option. It's impossible for the US to keep up with the pace at which China is building that option and once China has caught up or even surpassed, there's no going back.

Of course the way the world typically goes, they'll get close to breaking themselves and their allies fully free from US global hegemony and then they'll somehow stumble into some turbolib leader who signs their military over to the US in the name of "global cooperation" or something equally ridiculous and it'll all be for nothing as the US immediately uses that power to completely subjugate China but ... I can hope at least.

[–] LargeAdultRedBook@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

The US is trying to collapse China's access to oil first.

This is evident by all the attempts at regime change or increasing instability in potential energy suppliers. Russia, Iran, and Venezuela have all been selected as targets for destabilization in order of how long the state department thought their success would take.

Had these all been successful, it would be extremely easy to block off China's ability to import. Use the US's massive navy and comprador governments in the region to wall off the South China Sea and strait of Malaca.

If Russia, Iran, and Venezuela fell today, the military operation against China would begin tomorrow, likely by stationing nukes or long range ballistic missles in Taiwan; forcing them to "be the aggressor" and trigger an excuse to get the public on board with blockading its largest trading partner.

China foresaw this happening and tried to circumvent it in a number of ways. Most directly, making any blockade incredibly costly in terms of materiel by gearing the PLA-N towards area denial. Then reducing their industrial capacity's reliance on oil imports by massively investing in solar, hydro, and nuclear. Obviously, an encirclement would affect more than energy imports. The BRI directly counters this threat. China attempted to build freight infrastructure to the sea through Myanmar to work around the Strait of Malaca chokepoint and spread the US Navy very thin. But ongoing warfare has been remarkably successful at keeping Myanmar too unstable for development, which is why the US doesn't feel the need to put their foot on the scale too much. It doesn't think any faction willing to blindly shoot their own feet to spite China will be the clear victor.

The clock is ticking on any strategic advantage over China and the US's ability to enforce a blockade. Its manufacturing capacity is only growing. Its naval power is only growing. Its energy production is increasingly domestic. And its soft power and trade ties are only strengthening.

If the US strikes any time after 2028, it will be seen even by its allies as a loser not worth supporting. At which point, China will dump its vast USD supplies on the global south to kill off the petrodollar, secure natural resources, strengthen geopolitical ties, and reduce America's ability to money print their way through a massive war.

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

I’m imagining he wants gold finishes and mahogany for the decking

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

As a former CBO employee, I can say that they are very very far removed from the ins and outs of the Pentagon and this is at best a very rough estimate