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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Biden should've dropped out sooner. The DNC should've had an election. Absolute refusal of any responsibility will only ensure nothing changes.

[–] unfreeradical@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 days ago

The Democratic Party is not coming to save us.

No one is coming to save us.

We can be saved only by doing the work to take care of each other, to protect each other, and to relate to each other as members of community.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 32 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There's a pivotal moment that could've changed history (on this front).

In Biden's final State of the Union address, there were rumors circulating about his mental deterioration. A lot of insiders were reporting similar experiences. These were often dismissed, because they sound exactly like attacks from his opponents, particularly on the right.

Then the address happened. Biden was entirely present. He was passionate, he was articulate. He showed no signs of what people were claiming. Clearly, he had a very good day. The criticisms and reports stopped, although he skipped a number of traditional public appearances.

Fast forward a few months to the debate, and he had a bad night. Everything that people had been warning about, was on full display. To make it worse, Trump's dementia was having a good day.

What would've happened if the SOTU had happened on a bad day?

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do people forget that Biden told everyone he would be a one term/transitional President during his campaign. If theres a moment, then its the moment Joe Biden decided to go against his own pre-Presidential calculations and try to hold onto power for a second term.

Justifications aside, he should have allowed the democratic process to follow through naturally (as much as is possible in that byzantine system). And fully supported the Democratic party's choice as an elder Statesman and soon to be Presidential Alumni who qould be remembered for his commitment to democracy over power, rather than power over democracy.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People forget because Biden made his one term promise in an extremely dishonest and slimy way. He never actually explicitly promised to be a one term president. Instead, his campaign organized a large series of representatives to go out and imply that he would be a one term president. He got a bunch of Democratic big wigs to go around telling people that he would only run for one term. His campaign organized all of this messaging, but he himself never made the promise with his own lips.

It wasn't just a mistake, it was a deliberate deception. He lied to the American people. He just crafted his lie carefully to provide plausible deniability later. Sure, there were tons of people, on his orders, saying that he would be a one term president. But he never actually promised to drop out after one term!

He's a slime ball.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thats the uncharitable reading and the link discusses that.

My opinion. If they thought it would sell, then they knew it was an acceptable option. Biden's decision not to understand the wisdom of a one term presidency was his failure. So it doesn't matter whether he planned to be a one termer or not, the option was in the frame. Therefore it was a real option he had, whether he took it seriously or not is all to his failing.

The answer to why he wouldn't commit to it early is given in the linked article. If he had he would be a lame duck from the outset. Politics is about timing, a confirmation of a one term presidency at a normal time would have been the correct action. So from what I gather about the process, that would've been about a year out from the end of term.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he had he would be a lame duck from the outset.

This is a bone headed take. A lame duck is not a lame duck simply because they're not running again. They're a lame duck because they're unpopular and politically irrelevant. If he had declared to be a one-term president, he could have spent his term building up a bench of potential candidates for 2024. He still would have had great power, influence, and the bully pulpit, even if he wasn't running again. He wouldn't be an individual, he would be part of a team. And that team is what would allow continuity and the prevention of a lame duck term.

Lame duck isn't a popularity contest.

Your suggestions of what he could have done are all what a Lame Duck could get through, so i think you'rethinking a Lame Duck presidency is more useless than it is.

Its the big policies, like that Inflation Reduction Act, or Jan 6 commission, that would have been much harder to even get started. I know, I know, so much for those.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Trump's dementia wasn't having a good day. He said his normal amount of stupid and incoherent things. We had accepted this from him as the dumb, angry, incoherent candidate. But when the smart, mostly articulate candidate had a performance that blew Trump's normal incoherence out of the water, it was too much to ignore.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Fast forward a few months to the debate, and he had a bad night. Everything that people had been warning about, was on full display. To make it worse, Trump’s dementia was having a good day.

How insane is it for this to actually be part of the discourse? About which candidate's dementia was acting up more than the other's on a given day?

The quoted bit above would give even a hypothetical outside party with no prior knowledge or experience of what's happened since, a pregnant pause followed by some variant of "what the fuck?"

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

"What the fuck?" has been my reaction to pretty much everything since about 2016.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Real talk: let's say Democrats actually went, "Ah shucks we failed and it was our responsibility." Would that really change anything?

I'm tired man. I don't care for apologies. I don't care for hour long speeches. Trump bullies his way through to get what he wants.

Mamdani (NY mayor) is taking action.

If it got them to stop running further to the right? Yes.

They're all in on the strategy of being less bad than their opponents, a strategy guaranteed to either not win elections, or win only a single term while letting fascists get stronger. Mamdani won despite their efforts, and until they embrace more people like him everywhere, things will only get worse.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But didn't you hear? He's not left enough according to the same people who told you not to vote for Harris

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Nah this ain't it, you need to workshop that one more.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your straw man is falling over in the wind there friend.

Wow you combined logical fallacy AND metaphor? What an intellectual. It makes no sense but it sure is clever.