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Yes I'm sure the suppressed LGBT really enjoy the weight of that boot as much as you enjoy its taste
Yes, a country that 70 years ago was feudal has some backwards social policy. Is that an own?
The difference betweent China and the west in this regard, is that social justice victories in China are not constantly threatened by right wing parties and far-right Nazis.
Cope harder buddy, nobody buys that shite except you lot.
You should check out hexbear, plenty of pro China queer people there!
Which is naturally a disgusting phenomenon to see queer people support oppression of people like them. But I guess needing to fit in is indeed a strong counter to cognitive dissonance.
Is queer support for Palestinian liberation "a disgusting phenomenon" as well, due to socially reactionary views from Hamas? Nobody supports China's lacking queer rights, but instead the fact that they are continuously improving, both in general and with respect to queer rights. The major obstacle in China with respect to queer rights are the social conservativism of older generations, it isn't a fixed, static aspect of China but a phenomenon caused by the new society still needing to overcome lingering elements of the old. It's the same for Palestine, social progress is something that unfolds over time and is expedited by progressive movements, such as national liberation from genocidal settler colonialism.
Funny how you run interference for bigots like that.
I'm not? Like I said, I support the LGBTQIA+ movements in China and Palestine. What I don't support is looking at social progression like it's a static, unmoving phenomenon intrinsic to Palestinians or Chinese people, or socialism. Try listening to what queer Palestinians and Chinese citizens are saying. They certainly aren't saying "I support the IDF over Hamas" or "overthrow the CPC!" Using Cuba as an example, they went from socially reactionary positions to passing one of the world's most progressive family codes precisely because of the emancipatory nature of Marxism-Leninism.
Or, maybe, you're the propagandized person programmed to look for reasons to hate China?
Yes, I should just disregard LGBT oppression from my camp like a good campist
But it isn't being disregarded. I think China should change a lot of things, LGBTQ rights included. If they did reforms like Cuba tomorrow it'd be a positive thing, for sure. But then there's still the issues of education, animal agriculture, corruption, liberalism growing in the CPC, among other things.
It just becomes really useless to have a discussion about politics when you adopt this "let's find the good guys and the bad guys" mindset, which I think ironically you might say is the essence of 'campism.' You're acting like the reason we like China is we think they're ontologically good and everything they do must be for a good reason, when that's just not true and an absolutely infantile way to see the world.
You don't have a camp
"Queer people disagreeing with me is disgusting" lol fuck off
If nobody believes that China is rapidly improving living conditions for the working class why do Chinese people love their country so much?
The existence of patriots is evidence of improving working conditions now? Daym, USA must be the best country in the world.
It's not that people who love China exist at all, it's the fact that they're 90% of the population.
Uh huh, sure buddy
From https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
"Color revolutions" when facts don't match the narrative, impeccable trust when they do. So it goes...
this was your claim. That's what I was responding to. Nothing about color revolutions or whatever you're on about now.
Don't see how your link addresses my reply about LGBT-repression cope but ok.
I replied to that specific part elsewhere, and you got a reply from Cowbee that I think was better than mine.
Your willingness to disbelieve verifiable facts is not a good thing
I'm nowhere near well versed enough on the topic to chime in. But isn't this the same excuse people try to throw against supporters of Palestine? "Oh yeah you support ending the genocide in Palestine? Did you know they throw LGBT people off the rooftops".
Regardless of the truth/inaccuracy of the statement. It seems like it's not really that relevant to the conversation and just thrown out there as a cheap gotcha. Does the suppression of LGBT individuals mean that their overall quality of life hasn't improved? Does a country have to be perfect and not have other social changes that need to be worked towards in order to acknowledge progress? This is not an endorsement of China, again I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic. But just a criticism of this rebuttal.
They didn't respond but I think the main reason they're using that specific rebuttal is because the more orthodox argument which goes, "It's bad to like China because China is even more authoritarian than Western countries" has already been deployed elsewhere in the thread and received a solid enough response. Actually taking that conversation further would require analyzing information from several sources that have conflicting biases, and a lot of effort in general, so the conversation dies there. Other arguments they could've used include accusing China of being imperialist, more capitalist than the West, faking their statistics, censorship, not a legitimate government, or something along those lines.